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[The_Djinn]

No point to your argument really Helmetfire. There are very few organised displays that are shot after 23h00.. no matter what night of the week it is. One obvious exception is new years, which people only seem to celebrate on new years no matter what day of the week it falls on. The law does not stop you shooting pyro on any day of the year, you can shoot 365 days a year if you like but not after 23h00 up to 07h00 in the morning.
As it is a new legislation, which I must add the pyro industy themselves have already been practicing for some time, the police are probably not fully briefed on it but I am sure you will find over the next month they will be bought up to speed.
As for your comment over Nov 5th, it does not matter which night you celebrate it on.. can celebrate it on October 22nd.. there is no issue as along as you dont shoot between 23h00 to 07h00.
I am left wondering why this new legislation is causing so much concern among some of our members, it does not effect you from a point that you will not be stopped from shooting pyro on any of the 365 days in a year.. all it does is put in a place a curfue that prevents people from causing a disturbance during what are termed unsociable hours and I do not believe they are asking a lot.

Mark

Edited by The_Djinn, 22 September 2004 - 09:35 PM.

[Helmetfire]

No point to your argument really Helmetfire. There are very few organised displays that are shot after 23h00.. no matter what night of the week it is. One obvious exception is new years, which people only seem to celebrate on new years no matter what day of the week it falls on. The law does not stop you shooting pyro on any day of the year, you can shoot 365 days a year if you like but not after 23h00 up to 07h00 in the morning.
As it is a new legislation, which I must add the pyro industy themselves have already been practicing for some time, the police are probably not fully briefed on it but I am sure you will find over the next month they will be bought up to speed.
As for your comment over Nov 5th, it does not matter which night you celebrate it on.. can celebrate it on October 22nd.. there is no issue as along as you dont shoot between 23h00 to 07h00.
I am left wondering why this new legislation is causing so much concern among some of our members, it does not effect you from a point that you will not be stopped from shooting pyro on any of the 365 days in a year.. all it does is put in a place a curfue that prevents people from causing a disturbance during what are termed unsociable hours and I do not believe they are asking a lot.

Mark

Sorry my post was not meant to be an argument just a question. Down here shoots go on well after 23:00hrs (both oranised and private), so I suppose my question still stands...who is going to police it.
As I said, not an argument just a question.

Chris.

[The_Djinn]

Helmetfire, "argument" was not meant in the sense that you think.. meant more as a challenging question.
As this act is legislation and law, it will be up to the police to deal with people who do not adhere to it. One thing you will find, is professional display companies will not be side stepping this as they might have more than just a fine to worry about.. like it may become difficult to renew a storage or explosive license and things like that. Sure there are a few little companies that will do there own thing, but it will be at there own cost. As for general public.. like always there will be people that think they are an exception to the law. If you look at everything going on in the industry, you will see that this piece of legislation is just part of a much bigger picture that comes into effect in Jan 2005.. just that this piece has been rushed through before Nov 5th this year to try and curb incidents from the past.

Mark

Edited by The_Djinn, 23 September 2004 - 06:29 AM.

[parabolic]

Ahh well,

The local police just picked up a 34 year old bloke and reported him to the procurator fiscal, for letting fireworks off between 11.00pm and 7.00am

This was in the scottish borders, in Hawick which is only 7 miles from me.

Looks like there serious about the new law. serves him right for being an ass hole!

apparently, If the bloke gets charged for it , The "news" said that "he would be the first person to be prosecuted for this new law".


Lee

Edited by parabolic, 02 November 2004 - 06:57 PM.

[zanes]

I for one am very worried about this new law.

I am a shooter (rifle, shotgun, air rifle and air pistol) and can tell what is going to happen with this.

What people must realise is that once the government gets hold of something like this, it keeps squeezing and squeezing.

I have seen this happen to one of my hobbies and I for one am not prepared to see it happen to another 2

[pritch]

ever thought about finding a safe hobby?

Sorry I'm just kidding

btw on gun laws. I also own a gun and they passed a law right after I bought it that made guns that rely in an air cylinder illegal to own because people were converting them to fire real munitions. Not the c02 guns but the actual air pumped up action guns.

[The_Djinn]

Ahh well,

The local police just picked up a 34 year old bloke and reported him to the procurator fiscal, for letting fireworks off between 11.00pm and 7.00am

This was in the scottish borders, in Hawick which is only 7 miles from me.

Looks like there serious about the new law. serves him right for being an ass hole!

apparently, If the bloke gets charged for it , The "news" said that "he would be the first person to be prosecuted for this new law".
Lee

He will more than likely be prosecuted.. he will be an example to others, if they dont prosecute it will mean the law is meaningless. I for one believe he should be nailed, it is dark from 5 onwards now so there is no reason to set stuff off all hours of the night.
People seem to be making an issue of this curfue and I dont understand why. The display industry has pretty much been practicing it for years so why do the general public feel that they need to carry on after these hours ?

Mark

[Mortartube]

The new laws don't encompass everything. For instance Lewes bonfire night is always held on Nov 5th EXCEPT where the 5th falls on a Sunday, then it is on the nearest Saturday (i.e the 4th. The celebrations go on till at least midnight (with pyro). As the celebration would not technically be on bonfire night, will there be a special dispensation for this to allow fireworks up to midnight on the 4th? AFAIK Bridgewater in Somerset follow the same pattern regarding dates.

Furthermore, bonfire watchers traditionally set off salutes in Lewes in from the early hours on the 5th throughout the day (not constant just occasional), this is a tradition (at least 150 years old), that I would hate to see go. It is part of the character of Lewes on the 5th and makes it special. Let it go on I say.

Just my tuppence worth.

[Creepin_pyro]

There's no problem with setting off salutes in the day, as long as it's done after 7AM

Still lots of pyro going off after 11PM round here. Also, am I going mad or are air b**bs supposed to be off the shelves by now Has the voluntary ban been upgraded?

[Mortartube]

No, I mean EARLY Hours from just after midnight on the 5th through the morning 2/3am.

[Phoenix]

Also, am I going mad or are air b**bs supposed to be off the shelves by now  Has the voluntary ban been upgraded?

Ditto. I thought they and whistle/report rockets were banned as of January the 1st last year.

[Helmetfire]

Well I'm in Hastings and I can tell y'all that big aerial buggers were still going off at 23:20 and 23:40, with the last one that I heard being at 00:38.

[The_Djinn]

A lot of you would hear fireworks going off after 11pm as during the period just before the 5th and just after the 5th is an exclusion in the new law wich permits an extended period for firing... God only knows why!
The only days that needed extensions would be new years and chinese new year, no other celebrations are linked in any way to time.

I can tell you that when I left Liverpool on Friday night around 1:30am, the police were out in force nailing people that were still shooting fireworks which was good to see, atleast they are following through and policing the new laws.

It is sad to see various news articles showing that children are still being hurt by fireworks that they are playing with.. at the end of the day this just boils down to irresponsible adults or shop keepers. it is unfortunate to see that there were a few reports of people being injured at proffesional displays and this is going to lead to tightning up of proffesional firers and display companys.

[Mortartube]

I personally feel that many of the items in the new law weren't needed and had existing laws been policed effectively there would have been little need for the newer regulations.

It's been an offence to discharge fireworks in a public place since the 1875 act punishable by a fine or imprisonment or both. In my experience, nearly all of the antisocial firework behaviour was commited in a public place. When did you last hear of this being enforced?

The age limit for purchasing fireworks has been with us for numerous years. When did you last hear of a prosecution of a shopkeeper for selling to underage children? Again, I suggest that this is a lack of enforcement that has caused the problems in the past, and that the laws were perfectly adequate before these newer regulations, had they been enforced.

The new laws are being enforced vigorously now in some areas, but will they be enforced as rigorously in 10 years time? I suggest that they will not and fireworks will get the blame again and the range of types will be further restricted.

What's wrong with the public having large salute rockets etc, as they had last year. As long as they are used socially and near bonfire night or other recognised celebrations and those who use them irresponsibly are taken to task.

I for one enjoy fireworks immensly and feel that I or anyone else shouldn't have to suffer further restrictions because of inadequate law enforcement.

If we applied the logic that is applied to fireworks to other areas of life we would ban or restrict cars. as someone might use them irresponsibly or might sound their horn in the early hours of the morning.

I'm sorry about the rant, but I do feel strongly that this is the thin end of the wedge to ultimately ban fireworks because someone couldn't do their job properly and at least attempt to enforce the law.

Rant Over.

[Stuart]

I agree with Mortartube, we dont need new law's, just enforcment of the current ones. I for one love a good bang. I was walking home the other night and all around me fireworks were going off but there were no nice, loud, bassy bangs

I give it 10-15 years before there is a complete firework ban.