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[zookeeper]

Well, if you can endure a 7.5 hour airplane flight....

The 4th of July, in the states, is a time where all American professional display companies are in desperate need of people. This could be a good way to get some experience...although a bit costly


I would gladly help anyone who would be interested

[halen]

Well, if you can endure a 7.5 hour airplane flight....

Child's play. Just camed from China, always wanted to see chinese new year, from hotel's door to home: 26 hours of travelling, 11h flight from shanghai to paris + 3h flight from paris to helsinki...

The 4th of July, in the states, is a time where all American professional display companies are in desperate need of people. This could be a good way to get some experience...although a bit costly
I would gladly help anyone who would be interested

I think that working in foreign country with professional fireworks is not for newbies, different working methods, different law... but for experienced people working with fireworks in different culture can be very exciting.

And for me, making fireworks display in NY, sounds very interesting

[zookeeper]

Child's play. Just camed from China, always wanted to see chinese new year, from hotel's door to home: 26 hours of travelling, 11h flight from shanghai to paris + 3h flight from paris to helsinki...

Yes, the "pilgrimage" to China is a very long one, not to mention traveling within China itself.

I think that working in foreign country with professional fireworks is not for newbies, different working methods, different law... but for experienced people working with fireworks in different culture can be very exciting.

Yes, I do agree that newbies are at a disadvantage, but I really do enjoy that "energy" that new people bring to the industry, an experienced (or overworked..) shooter can sometimes fall into an apathetic state.

[halen]

Yes, I do agree that newbies are at a disadvantage, but I really do enjoy that "energy" that new people bring to the industry, an experienced (or overworked..) shooter can sometimes fall into an apathetic state.

Yes i agree, newbies burning passion is something that even i miss in myself nowadays.
Maybe i think more and more authorithies who thinks that some consumer size fireworks needs huge safety area with dozens security guys, local people who writes to newspapers when their favourite tv-show disturbs with noise etc...

But with my experience, worked with couple foreign pyrotechnicians and in foreign country, i see same passion in "saw that, done that, years ago" guys.
I think that when you see how things can and will be make differently is quite interesting for local crew and visitor. Even different regulations for mortars make setup building quite different excluding different shooting style.

[zookeeper]

I think that when you see how things can and will be make differently is quite interesting for local crew and visitor. Even different regulations for mortars make setup building quite different excluding different shooting style.

Quite right! In the US we have 50 states, each with it's own set of laws and each city and town has different laws as well...it can get overwhelming

For example: A city that is less than 70 miles, from my location, has an city law that requires any truck loaded with 1.1D, 1.3G and even 1.4S product have a POLICE escort (talk about attracting unwanted attention! ) This law is not well known, and has very harsh penalties.

Some states require training, some a state license, and others have NO requirements for pyrotechnicians.


...just a thought:

Finland, I thought, has very long periods of daylight. When do you have enough darkness for fireworks?
...Just interested

[Frozentech]

Finland, I thought, has very long periods of daylight. When do you have enough darkness for fireworks?
...Just interested

Hey Zoo... I have the same problem up here in Alaska ! In the winter we have the corresponding periods of darkness.. you can shoot a shot at 5PM ( earlier in some parts of the state) and it's plenty dark.

4th of July is rough though... it's like dusk late at night, and shows start at 10 PM just to be able to see them.

[halen]

Quite right! In the US we have 50 states, each with it's own set of laws and each city and town has different laws as well...it can get overwhelming

For example: A city that is less than 70 miles, from my location, has an city law that requires any truck loaded with 1.1D, 1.3G and even 1.4S product have a POLICE escort (talk about attracting unwanted attention! ) This law is not well known, and has very harsh penalties.

For 1.1D i understand, someway. For 1.3G and 1.4S why, okay, 1.4S is mainly ammunition, maybe they are scared about terrorists...

Some states require training, some a state license, and others have NO requirements for pyrotechnicians.
...just a thought:

No requirements? i hope that doesn't mean 1.1D stuff.

In Finland we have couple different permission types:
Shot firer (r?j?ytt?j?)
Which has divided to different classes and purposed for little amounts of explosives, under 25kg/day. Class E of this covers stage pyrotechnics and effects explosives. Class A is for boulders, tree "stumps" etc.

Blaster and "over" blaster (panostaja and ylipanostaja)
Can do anykind work with explosives, stage effects, rock blasting etc, and main difference between "over" and normal blaster is limits in habitant areas, 200m to nearest house or open road, blaster can only use 10kg weight of charge and 500kg/day and "over"blaster doesn't have limits.

of course these permissions doesnt cover display fireworks becouse display fireworks is not tested by authorities. So we have licence for firework companies, which must have proper shelters, safety instructions, training and testing programs, suitable equipment and insurance. These can train display shooters for their own imported or manufactured fireworks.

Finland, I thought, has very long periods of daylight. When do you have enough darkness for fireworks?
...Just interested

And very long periods daylight makes very long periods of darkness, of course there is winter, snow, freaking cold and no daylight for building. In last outdoor display which i did there was nice -25C (-13F) with little wind...

Today sun rises at 08:28 and goes down 16:51,
new years eve: 09:43 - 15:14
and 4th of july : 02:53 - 22:05

[zookeeper]

Hey Zoo... I have the same problem up here in Alaska ! In the winter we have the corresponding periods of darkness.. you can shoot a shot at 5PM ( earlier in some parts of the state) and it's plenty dark.

4th of July is rough though... it's like dusk late at night, and shows start at 10 PM just to be able to see them.

In New York it's similar, most 4th of July shows start about 10PM-11PM. Sun usually starts to set about 9:30PM. At least with the winter shoots, you can be home earlier...or in the bar, if you prefer

...However Rochester is SO cloudy that we could shoot at NOON and still be seen 12" shells vanish into the cloud layer.

[zookeeper]

1.4S is mainly ammunition, maybe they are scared about terrorists...

Japanese time fuse and some shell "components" fall under 1.4S.
Ammunition?! NAH!...this is America

No requirements? i hope that doesn't mean 1.1D stuff.

Just in the state of Texas, where you can openly display your firearm in public

In Finland we have couple different permission types:
Shot firer (r?j?ytt?j?)
Which has divided to different classes and purposed for little amounts of explosives, under 25kg/day. Class E of this covers stage pyrotechnics and effects explosives. Class A is for boulders, tree "stumps" etc.

Blaster and "over" blaster (panostaja and ylipanostaja)
Can do anykind work with explosives, stage effects, rock blasting etc, and main difference between "over" and normal blaster is limits in habitant areas, 200m to nearest house or open road, blaster can only use 10kg weight of charge and 500kg/day and "over"blaster doesn't have limits.

This is some really great information! AND now I know 3 Finnish words!

In New York we have an Own and Possess license, which you can purchase explosives (HE and others) BUT you cannot use them without a Blaster's License
...so some of our rules are a little backwards, but that is just the way New York state seems to operate, multiple permits needed to do just one thing

For example:
If you want to conduct a display in New York state, you need to have...
1. ATF license (federal)
2. Own and Possess license (state)
3. Local permit (town or city level)
4. A letter of permission from the Fire Department
5. A letter of permission from the property owner, where the display takes place
6. LOTS of insurance

So as you can see...I spend MUCH more of my time doing "paperwork" than shooting, which makes me enjoy my time on the show site much more.

[halen]

Japanese time fuse and some shell "components" fall under 1.4S.
Ammunition?! NAH!...this is America

looks to his shotgun shells... jup, 1.4S

In New York we have an Own and Possess license, which you can purchase explosives (HE and others) BUT you cannot use them without a Blaster's License

almost like here, to buy HE, you need so called transfer licence. of course you cant get it without storage permits or blaster licence. You can buy stage pyrotechnics and squibs etc. without it becouse these are classified to pyrotechnical devices.

For example:
If you want to conduct a display in New York state, you need to have...
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in Finland we need
1. display fireworks licence and you dont get it without insurance
2. permit from local police, who should inform fire department
3. permission from property owner.

and sometimes in night and mainly our bigger cities from
4. enviroment deparment, mainly becouse noise.

so we have 1-2 papers less to fill than you

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