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[Flashy]

Hi all,

Has anyone read the draft copy of the new 2005 regulations?

http://www.hse.gov.u...s/draftacop.htm

[cunning_plan]

cheers just read it. 100g allowed under it then....what was it before? what is your opinion of it? is anyone able to translate that inot simpler form because it took me ages to understand what some of it was on about due to multiple referncing. is anyone organising a counter measue against the bill?

[Richard H]

MSER is a good thing, not a bad thing. It brings all kinds of legislation concerning explosives into one set of regulations. Why would you want to organise a 'counter measue' as you put it, against the bill?

For a good dissection of the bill, which answers all of your questions see an article written by Myself and the BPS administration, which features in the new edition of Fireworks magazine. http://www.fireworks-mag.org.

[BigG]

MSER is a good thing, not a bad thing. It brings all kinds of legislation concerning explosives into one set of regulations. Why would you want to organise a 'counter measue' as you put it, against the bill?

For a good dissection of the bill, which answers all of your questions see an article written by Myself and the BPS administration, which features in the new edition of Fireworks magazine. http://www.fireworks-mag.org.

This is a must read for the forum members - I'm suprised and disappointed that we had so little remarks about this article. Also note Ron Lancaster article on the page before our article - Very good!

[cunning_plan]

that was a very ambiguouse sentance. is there a counter measure against it? by this i mean are people opposing it?

[Phoenix]

This is a must read for the forum members - I'm suprised and disappointed that we had so little remarks about this article. Also note Ron Lancaster article on the page before our article - Very good!

I read it recently, and found the summary of the new and current regulations interesting. I suppose that I was already aware of much of what the article covers - that an individual is allowed to make small (or sub 100g) quantities of compositions for "experimentation," but that "experimentation" probably does not include making roman candles.

Presumably Fireworks' readers include HSE people and others who have some sway over the legislation in this area, so hopefully the article will help make them more receptive to provisions for small scale manufacture, and to raise their awareness of our interests and motives.

MSER is a good thing, not a bad thing. It brings all kinds of legislation concerning explosives into one set of regulations. Why would you want to organise a 'counter measue' as you put it, against the bill?

The article was saying that the new regulations were "even more worrisome." I also think that I remember reading that they could be bad news regarding a future BPS Legal Club. Do you mean that they are a good thing in that they make the law clearer, or that they are good from the point of view of hobbyists? As I see it (I admit that I haven't read the new regulations properly yet), whilst the new regulations may make storage and importation more difficult for the industry, and may (?) make future positive change in the law for hobbyists more difficult, they will not, in practice, change much for hobbyists now, provided we continue to be careful and and act responsibly. I suppose that in any case, new legislation such as this is geared towards greater safety, so is good in that respect even if it does make things more difficult for us or the industry.

[Richard H]

They are good in the sense they bring everything together under MSER. They concern not only manufacture, but storage too. I also strongly believe MSER is flexible to accomodate hobbiests such as ourselves. It is ultimately a long term objective to establish facilities to be used by the registered membership.

[Brian]

is there a counter measure against it? by this i mean are people opposing it?

It's way too late for that.

MSER has been in serious discussion for well over 3 years. Any consultation period is long gone. It was originally due to become law last summer but, for a number of reasons, was delayed until this year. The current plan is that it will become law on 6th April.

is anyone able to translate that inot simpler form because it took me ages to understand what some of it was on about due to multiple referncing.

It is a long document and as you say has multiple references. I think you can expect to see a number of 'industry specific' guides appear once it has become law. I know that a number of us, working in the stage pyrotechnics field, are working on a guide for venues like theatres and concert halls. However, until MSER becomes law it's not worth publishing it in case anything changes.

[Blackpowder]

MSER now has a delay until the end of April.

There may be a longer delay depending upon when Parliament is shut for the election.

[Brian]

I've just heard that MSER was signed off yesterday and will come into force on 26th April.

[Andrew]

"that's lucky", who would have thought that the gov would finnish nicely just in time to ask permission to be dissolved. debated about, and signed off when it was acceptable, was it b*llocks. I think that yet again, things have been brushed aside without the proper amount of consideration. This is an example of the gov pushing things through and saying "that'll do", so that they can consentrate of vote swinging.

[Brian]

Putting aside my own views of this government's achievments...


MSER did not require any parliamentary debate. It's a regulation brought in under health and safety legislation and as such only needs the appropriate minister to sign it. It's been on the cards for over 3 years now, although I understand that changes to the 1875 act were first proposed over 15 years ago.

[Andrew]

before the appropriate minister signs it off, it still needs to be approved. All new legislation needs approval, it's not up to one person and one person alone to oversee all stages.

as for "this government's achievments", if I remember correctly, since pistols were banned in 1996, the government has done nothing to relax the ban. A hasty peice of legislation, that was rushed through with very little communication with outside bodies. fair enough, it was the cons that thought up the legislation, but Labour has done nothing to apease the situation. Billions of tax payers money was lost because of it, and millions of lost revenue since then is the result. Some idiots say that the ban reduced gun crime, gun crime has rocketed, especially in recent years. At least before the police knew more about the levels and whereabouts, now they know nothing in comparison. Basically, if the government thinks something will damage their opinion poll, they will not do it. The government have no balls, you would think that they did with the amount of piss taking they do. As much as I hate to say it, I think we should be more like the French. At least they stand up for what they believe in and don't just bitch and moan. The government here is oppressive and think they have more power than they really do. And they get away with it because no one here will stand up to them.

[Blackpowder]

MSER is one of the longest running pieces of legislation to go through the commission (It may well be the longest)

Following the publication of the consultation document, there was a huge amount of responses from industry, public and enforcers that was covered over 18 months by a couple of committees.

It had to come in as it compliments the Fireworks Regs and was held up by the lead lawyer being on jury service!