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[portfire]

There you go chris m told ya .Excellent,you've cleared up some grey areas i had,thanx guys

dean

[portfire]

Chris i THINK this pretty much explains everything.Good read.

http://cc.oulu.fi/~kempmp/colours.html

dean

[dr thrust]

thanks dean, interesting read , being a newbe i didn't know that temperature affected the color of a comp/star

[cooperman435]

does anyone have any idea what restricts you from using swimming pool chlorine powders ?

[pyromaniac303]

does anyone have any idea what restricts you from using swimming pool chlorine powders ?

If I remember right they are chloroisocyanurates, they are used in tablet form for sterilising baby bottles, if somone finds a decent use for them and wants a cheap source. They release chlorine in contact with water and reducing agents (i.e. fuels) so maybe they are avoided for that reason.

sodium dichloroisocyanurate

[MMMMMM Pyro]

Hiya everyone,

Sorry for digging up an old thread, but I thought better that than start a new one...

Does anyone know of a {preferably} U.K. source for:

Chlorowax
Dechlorane
Saran Resin {thegreenman.me.uk shop did have some but, has now, unfortunately closed down}
Also, I'd love some Hexachlorobenzene... but I doubt that that will be available.

If anyone knows of decent sources, It would be much appreciated to hear about them.

Best regards,

Mike

[Anders Greenman]

I'm not sure of wich Saran you want, but the pure 506 and some other types are usually aviable from plastic suppliers. I'm sure there's some of them in the UK too. You'l have to buy bulk though (50Ib is common), but it's very cheap per pound and you can join with other pyro mates.

[Mumbles]

FYI, plastic suppliers dont have the kind we want. The powder that we like is a by product of the plastic industry product, which is large and kinda lumpy as it's all melted together anyway. The engineers fixed the "problem" of the powder source, and pyros went wild and offered to buy it by the shipping container. Now Dow Chemical makes a special run once a year to get the powder. Make sure it's a fine powder before sinking any money into it.

[Anders Greenman]

Hm, I know a guy wo got the right Saran 506 from the industry, but as far as I know it might have been the by product.

[pudi.dk]

Just wanted to ask how much is the normal sale price of Parlon?
Like, if you bought 1 kg or so...
I bought 500g (got 1000g , though) for 9$

[Mumbles]

$9 is somewhere in the vicinity of reasonable. I'd shoot more for $7, but for larger scale chemical repackagers doing it for profit, $9 is somewhat to be expected.

I have a barrel of Saran 506, the powdered stuff. I know it is the correct stuff and all. What I am not sure of is if 506 is the number they apply to only the powdered product, or all shapes and sizes of the same formulation as the powdered stuff. I want to say the only contaminate is less that 1 or 2% PVC.

Edited by Mumbles, 05 September 2007 - 05:41 PM.

[Potassium chlorate]

I'm curious about the consistancy as well. Here's what the website that sells it says:

(Chlorez 700, chlorinated paraffin resin) Cream colored powder

Used as a chlorine donor (70% chlorine). -50 mesh, 97%. Solvents are xylene, acetone and alcohol.

It runs about $8.50 US which is a lot cheaper than Parlon, but the only formulae I see using it are the Baechle system ones, which also use a couple of things I dont have like copper oxychloride and stearic acid. So maybe there isn t much point in buying it to save money.

Sorry, your probably right about this wanting to be in the Pyro chemistry forum but I'm not sure how to move it.

Now I'm picking up an old thread again but I couldn't help it since I have chlorowax and also recently started to get interested in the Baechle system.

I haven't experimented much with it yet, but this formula, for instance, seems interesting:

Beachle Aqua

barium chlorate 84
red gum 10
copper carbonate 2
chlorowax 2
dextrin 2

Very interesting is that as little as 2% copper carbonate (and 2% chlorowax?) should make this composition aqua instead of the typical barium chlorate green (haven't tested it though, but this far I haven't heard one bad word about the Baechle system). Also very interesting is that by using 2% barium carbonate instead (to prevent the weak acids in the red gum from reacting with the barium chlorate), one might probably get a very good pure green, maybe even better than the 9:1 barium chlorate/shellac, that I'm otherwise very much in favour of.


The consistency of chlorowax isn't "waxy" at all, by the way; it's a dry powder like parlon. Doesn't smell very good, though, a bit like hydrochloric acid.

[Mumbles]

Let us know how it works. I did find it odd too that it contains such a small amount of copper. The Aqua I use has about a 4:1 ratio of barium nitrate to copper. It is metallic fueled though, so maybe it needs some more copper to shine through. Still 40:1 is a bit of a jump. I'd expect the above formula to come out closer to a teal.

[drtoivowillmann]

Dear Friend:

Forget chlorowax. Best is C-PVC: some is made in France with the name of LUCALOR. I t is non-toxic and contains more than 67 % of chlorine: best blue and purple are produced, even coloured strobes it makes easily. Look out for it, you will be happy, when you obtain it.

Yours truly, greetings from Brazil:

Dr. Toivo Willmann

[AdmiralDonSnider]

So is CPVC a 1:1 chlorowax replacement in colored star formulas?