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[firework55]

hi

I'm new to this web site and that i was just wondering which do you think is the safest chemical out of these 3 and why

potassium nitrate
potassium chlorate
potassium perchlorate

i also just wondered what people think of strontium nitrate i have looked on msds at it but could people please tell me of what you think

thanks

Edited by firework55, 24 December 2007 - 02:14 PM.

[Asteroid]

Potassium nitrate. It has no serious incompatabilities, is used to make safer and easier compositions. If you're new to pyro it's definately the oxidiser of choice.

[YT2095]

agreed, KNO3, KCLO4 and KCLO3 in that order.

and the Nice thing with KNO3, it`s not even particularly Toxic.

[EnigmaticBiker]

I'll second that.

Potassium nitrate is not only more compatable with other materials, it is less toxic too and is used as a food additive.
This doesn't make it harmless, but far safer than chlorates or perchlorates if ingested or for disposal.

Welcome to the site.

(YT2095 you just beat me to it)

Edited by EnigmaticBiker, 02 November 2007 - 06:01 PM.

[W.P]

Potassium nitrate, but that depends on what you class as "safe". In terms of handling it is by far the safest but once mixed it can be as deadly as perchlorate or chlorate. For example nitrate flash using Mg.

[Arthur Brown]

there is no "Safe" chemical.

Water is essential for life, but every year people drown!

Especially with pyro it is essential to study the properties of all the materials in use and all the combinations during manufacture. Some things make great effects BUT will not withstand storage. Some things are more stable but less spectacular.

Anyway can you define "safe" Pyro is essentially playing with fire and there is always danger in flame. It's what where and when you do that can be safe.

[Asteroid]

That's what I was thinking, but of course there are so many compositions which are easier to make with KNO3, whereas with the others most of the formulas are more complicated and/or dangerous

[YT2095]

there is no "Safe" chemical.

Water is essential for life, but every year people drown!

Especially with pyro it is essential to study the properties of all the materials in use and all the combinations during manufacture. Some things make great effects BUT will not withstand storage. Some things are more stable but less spectacular.

Anyway can you define "safe" Pyro is essentially playing with fire and there is always danger in flame. It's what where and when you do that can be safe.

fair enough in one respct, but on the Other hand, there no such thing as a poisonous one either (by the same logic), there`s only a poisonous DOSE (yes that applies to all chems).

the thing to remember about Both extremes presented here, is that ALL must be treated with respect, do That and you`ll be just fine

[icarus]

potassium nitrate wins hands down as not all chemicals are easily available its a really good starter i have a limited range of chems so its good to work through weingart and formulation database deciding what to make next .- If you could buy every chemical from the supermarket pyro would be less enjoyable the preserve of the rich and i reckon the hospital and undertakers would be busier.I spend as little as possible with the exception of safety equipment and tools where I buy the best

[firework55]

thanks

[firework55]

Potassium nitrate, but that depends on what you class as "safe". In terms of handling it is by far the safest but once mixed it can be as deadly as perchlorate or chlorate. For example nitrate flash using Mg.

thanks is it safe in a sealed plastic bag and safe when mixed with sugar

[marble]

yes and yes

[firework55]

so it would be OK in sealed plastic bag in a shed on the top shelf

with no other chemicals

[portfire]

so it would be OK in sealed plastic bag in a shed on the top shelf

with no other chemicals

Yes,as long as it's airtight your fine(with most chemicals) but,you can do alot better than a plastic bag!!Also make sure you keep oxidizers,organic fuels,metallic fuels and additives apart from each other!.

I should imagine (or hope) that as your starting out you only have 3 chemicals (potassium nitrate,charcoal,sulphur)but,as you gain knowledge and experience,so will your chemical collection and pretty early on,you'll need adequate storage.

My advice is to buy some airtight storage bottles (www.inoxia.co.uk) and either buy or build some cupboards so you have separate storage for your chemicals ( oxidizers,fuels).Also,read as much as you can about the chemicals you intend to be working with before you do,that way you know what your dealing with and what SAFETY PRECAUTIONS! you need to take.

P.S Use the search function,it's all here

dean

[firework55]

Yes,as long as it's airtight your fine(with most chemicals) but,you can do alot better than a plastic bag!!Also make sure you keep oxidizers,organic fuels,metallic fuels and additives apart from each other!.

I should imagine (or hope) that as your starting out you only have 3 chemicals (potassium nitrate,charcoal,sulphur)but,as you gain knowledge and experience,so will your chemical collection and pretty early on,you'll need adequate storage.

My advice is to buy some airtight storage bottles (www.inoxia.co.uk) and either buy or build some cupboards so you have separate storage for your chemicals ( oxidizers,fuels).Also,read as much as you can about the chemicals you intend to be working with before you do,that way you know what your dealing with and what SAFETY PRECAUTIONS! you need to take.

P.S Use the search function,it's all here

dean

thanks

at the moment i only have potassium nitrate nothing else