16 replies to this topic

[pudi.dk]

At what price and varities of visco would you sell?

[cooperman435]

Well only two problems I can see. Firstly that there are actually now a number of people already selling it in the UK or to the UK and the legal issues that it is not actually supposed to be sold to the general public.

If doing so you could open yourself up to a whole world of do do.

[cooperman435]

All I mean is are you aware of the legal implications of selling it?

If someone uses it for wrongdoing you can be held responsible.

Thats the main reason I have not added it to my inventory myself.

Edited by cooperman435, 19 December 2007 - 12:04 AM.

[portfire]

HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT....Would one of these actually work then,if someone used a product for wrongdoing,then the HHA is useless,becuase the company shouldn't have been selling it to gerneral public in the first place..Or have i missed something

dean

[pyrotrev]

The most immediate thing you should think of is how you are going to ship it Sending explosive articles through the post is straight down the line illegal, and you could get picked up on that. The only proper way would be to use a ADR compliant courier such as Nightfreight, but they can be a bit difficult to get an account with; and £18 minimum per shipment

Edited by pyrotrev, 19 December 2007 - 01:13 PM.

[StephF]

HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT....Would one of these actually work then,if someone used a product for wrongdoing,then the HHA is useless,becuase the company shouldn't have been selling it to gerneral public in the first place..Or have i missed something

dean

The way I interpret the HHA is that if an individual used the fuse and somehow injured themselves or another, the purchaser would not seek to prosecute the vendor i.e. hold them harmless

However no agreement would protect the vendor from any legal action from the state.

If the authorities got involved and the vendor should not have sold it in the first place then the vendor would most likely get squashed by the law

[Arthur Brown]

All kinds of fuse from blue touch paper to real det cord is available locally TO COMPETENT PEOPLE. What is in short supply is fuse for people who want to do things for which their peers don't think them professionally competent.

On-Line sales are totally transparent to the authorities as they can trace the payment through the credit card companies. SO if the buyer is careless in use or storage then, you get identified, and your dispatch method called into question too.

[Jin]

To answer your question, regardless of whatever legal situation may arise, I wouldnt mind seeing another supplier on the scene, but prices would need to beat that of suppliers like hobbychem.co.uk and SPfireworks.co.uk

[cooperman435]

Dont forget when working out prices that SP gives (or at least gave) a decent discount to ful UKPS members so their prices are (were?) better still than most.

[icarus]

as stated visco cant be sent through the mail it would be your responsibility as seller to ensure it went to fit and proper users you will need storage facilities etc how would you vet potential customers ???? i personally disagree with last posting and feel that anyone who makes fuse or chems available to a potential terrorists should be locked up and the key thrown away. please leave visco to the professional suppliers

[phildunford]

To add my few pennies worth...

We should not be shooting ourselves in the foot here.

That Bad People do Bad Things with stuff that we want for perfectly harmless pursuits is no reason to ban it's sale to everyone.

This is the current attitude of the government to all law:

1) Something can be used for wrongdoing.

2) Ban everyone from getting it.

3) Legitimate users suffer.

4) Bad guys get it somewhere else illegally.

5) The world is a worse place.

We should be looking for some 'middle road' - something like the poisons register used to be, or registered handguns (used to be). You are totally up-front about your purchases, you are traceable and responsible for their use, but you can still get what you want.

Yes, I hate terrorists too, but punish them, not me!

"He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both."

[StephF]

I have to admit I see both sides of the coin here

The need for security and the need for liberty

However I have to reflect that viewing a historical perspective, restricting or banning supply of a substance has never stopped determined parties from accessing something.

Whether it be drugs, guns or chemicals there will always be ways and means

I'm sure Osama bin Liner and his cronies don't even need to construct improvised devices !

With his money and connections he could probably buy the real Mc Coy.

However I have to agree that sale of fuse etc should be limited to those people with the necessary logistics eg safe storage and safe transport

Leave it to the established professionals !

[marble]

i personally disagree with last posting and feel that anyone who makes fuse or chems available to a potential terrorists should be locked up and the key thrown away. please leave visco to the professional suppliers

So you propose we lock up the owners of every supermarket, general store and hardware store for life?

I have a front tap that supplies water, better chain it up so I don't get arrested.