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#151 Bonny

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 05:58 PM

Looks fine!

The clear visor is to deflect shock wave if and when you have a low shot.



I was under the impression the visor was mainly for protection from flying sparks/debris. I've worked quite a few shows and have only ever seen mesh visors used as they are not prone to fogging. I assume the training over there is similar, but we are trained to ignite the QM leader and turn away from the mortar until the shell launches, which in the case of a low break, there would be such a short delay that you would still be facing away.

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Posted 12 September 2008 - 06:07 PM

well,
one week to go,should be a interesting day.
Looking forward to fridays social and meeting some like minded pyro people.

As for ppe,i do not think it matters if your suit has stripes or not as long as it is proban or similar,
my suit does not but if i feel out of place i will stick some on :lol:

Edited by starseeker, 12 September 2008 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2008 - 07:44 PM

Yup, one week to go, hands up who's getting excited....Or nervous like me LOL

starseeker- I'm color coordinating my head gear, (blue ear defenders) red 'Proban' suite and just ordered some 14" blue welders gloves, so chances are I'll be the one who looks out of place :rolleyes: ...... I know this is not important BTW :P

Bonny- I can see where your coming from with the mesh visor, (I was going to order one) but It will not stop sparks/flame. I would rather have somthing thats going to protect me from both hazards.
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#154 Arthur Brown

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Posted 14 September 2008 - 08:19 PM

PPE will be an important topic on the day! PPE for a remote e-fired show will be different from the PPE needed for hand firing the leaders with a portfire or blowtorch.

The mesh visor will catch lumps but the plastic visor will protect against travelling flame and blast wave also..
http://www.movember.com/uk/home/

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Posted 15 September 2008 - 07:53 PM

:rolleyes:

Yup, one week to go, hands up who's getting excited....Or nervous like me LOL

starseeker- I'm color coordinating my head gear, (blue ear defenders) red 'Proban' suite and just ordered some 14" blue welders gloves, so chances are I'll be the one who looks out of place :rolleyes: ......


Nervous and excited i would say,also looking forward to portfires fashion show, :rolleyes:

Edited by starseeker, 15 September 2008 - 07:56 PM.


#156 Arthur Brown

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Posted 15 September 2008 - 08:09 PM

I think several of us have spent much money on PPE which will be a worth while investment for those that go on to pro pyro.
http://www.movember.com/uk/home/

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:52 AM

Personally, I think I will cut a dashing figure in my bright orange helmet, cool blue proban boiler suit and sudden yellow site boots!


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Posted 16 September 2008 - 10:48 AM

So does anyone have any ides where the Friday nighters' are going to meet up for a few orange juices :blink: and at what time ish?

I obviously think that the cross keys would be a great venue, but I am not sure if they do food.

Edited by digger, 16 September 2008 - 10:49 AM.

Phew that was close.

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:26 PM

I think several of us have spent much money on PPE which will be a worth while investment for those that go on to pro pyro.


Indeed and this is one of my goals in life, my only regret is that I didn't get my ass into gear and do something about it years ago, but it always seemed like it was a "closed shop" back then. It's finding this place a few years ago thats inspired me to what to go further. I also think that the PPE I have now is a worth while investment for my own pyro adventures.

Phil, I'm sure we'll all look dashing suited and booted LOL. Hopfully they will be a photo op :rolleyes:
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#160 Bonny

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:37 PM

I'm just curious if a bioler suit is required over there... the course I took specified gloves helmet (with visor OR safety glasses...some wear both) as well as (cotton no synthetics) pants and long sleeve shirt/jacket. I personally use a denim jacket and jeans or other cotton pants. I know a few people who wear boiler suits/coveralls, but most wear jeans and a shooting jacket, such as denim or cotton military combat jackets.

#161 starseeker

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 05:56 PM

So does anyone have any ides where the Friday nighters' are going to meet up for a few orange juices :blink: and at what time ish?

I obviously think that the cross keys would be a great venue, but I am not sure if they do food.


I am hopeing to get to the cross keys about six thirty digger,if i remember rightly on the pub website it did say they did food.
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#162 Arthur Brown

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 06:19 PM

Overalls;
we wear overalls to keep the mud and cold at bay and soak uo the rain - we mostly fire for 5th november. The minimum PPE is a flame retardant boiler suit with helmet full face visor and ear defenders. BUT if you ever see pictures of anyone who has been hit by a shell full of burning stars you will realise that you don't want to see that again. SO I have Nomex trousers protex polo shirt nomex flash hood and the helmet set. All topped off by a FR boilersuit fo keep the mud off!

I see insured pro companies with no ppe -one guy says that he used to wear specs but doesn't know what to do since having laser correction. so he doesn't wear any safety specs even :(

* for hand fired shows the PPE is obviously different than for an electric remote fired show so in the summer some people efire wearing fashion shorts etc. If you are back at the crowd line doing e-fire then needing full PPE when the person standing next to you is wearing a white frock looks a little silly.

For summer shows at nice venues for weddings etc I want to look smarter hence the nomex trousers and shirt - still "Works" but not dirty!

Supper;

Food at the Cross Keys is rather limited so dinner on the friday will prob be the same as lunch on the saturday, There is someone staying at a good curry/chinese pub so better a meetup there But someone please search the thread for the info.

Edited by Arthur Brown, 16 September 2008 - 07:33 PM.

http://www.movember.com/uk/home/

Keep mannequins and watermelons away from fireworks..they always get hurt..

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 07:45 PM

Regrettably won't be there Friday night - commitments down here... Will be setting off early Saturday morning, when hopfully there will be little traffic.

Staying at Leicester on Saturday night (for some reason local hotels seemed to be booked up :rolleyes: ), but hopefully will have time to chat in lunch and breaks (if we are allowed any!).

Yes Dean, hopefully some photo opportunities for Spark!
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#164 Arthur Brown

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 06:30 AM

A major request from me, is that all participants keep on-topic during the course. This is a course to teach the legal and safe and best practise methods of firing compliant category 4 professional user fireworks. While you may have interest in the content and manufacture of formulations and fireworks the course is about classified fireworks.
http://www.movember.com/uk/home/

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#165 Arthur Brown

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 09:33 PM

I was under the impression the visor was mainly for protection from flying sparks/debris. I've worked quite a few shows and have only ever seen mesh visors used as they are not prone to fogging. I assume the training over there is similar, but we are trained to ignite the QM leader and turn away from the mortar until the shell launches, which in the case of a low break, there would be such a short delay that you would still be facing away.


If you turn away and you have a low burst the stars can get inside the visor by your ears, If you face it you'll need a new visor but not plastic surgery and a white stick.

If I were planning to fire cat4 by hand I may well look at a full jet pilot or motorcycle helmet and visor. No spaces for anything to get inside, but no specified noise attenuation. I am actually planning to have e-fire as the norm so appropriate PPE
http://www.movember.com/uk/home/

Keep mannequins and watermelons away from fireworks..they always get hurt..




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