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[rr22]

http://www.yorkshire...pipe.4537402.jp

"He may have had too much time on his hands."

He certainly has now!

Mods. please move this to the legal section if it's more suited.

Edited by rr22, 19 July 2009 - 10:07 PM.

[CCH Concepts]

http://www.yorkshire...pipe.4537402.jp

"He may have had too much time on his hands."

He certainly has now!

Mods. please move this to the legal section if it's more suited.

if this device was open at one end and in a metal tube, would it not be fair to say it was very unlikly for the device to explode rather than as the guy said eject glitter. i have to suspect there is more to this.

[CCH Concepts]

i personally know alot of people int he police, discussing this subject it has been said there can be more interest in statistics and showing they are catching people, rather than actual investigation into the person. not that he hasnt done anything wrong. but garenteed he was arrested under terrorisum laws, but say now if politics isnt something i should discuss on this forum. (please ignore spelling)

[pyrobrainiac]

just read that and think if it was open at one end then the court may have thought that he was keeping it like that until he wanted to use it and would then bend the other end in????? although i think he may have just wanted to make a fountain but it just shows how horribly wrong it can turn out if someone just wanted to make a "reuseable" fountain.

[Mortartube]

This is a pretty unorthodox mix for fireworks, considering the wealth of good info available on the net re fountain mixes and the relative ease of obtaining the correct chemicals.

If the mixture has been reported correctly it is my personal belief that he may have been trying to replicate a poor mans ammonal or ammatol.

I stress that it is my personal view. Had he had some pressed BP and some Al flitter in the tube I think he would have had a very good case for his defence and could have cited many works of reference. I think that this is not as innocent as it seems, although the guy may have genuinely been misguided with scant knowledge of firework mixtures. But as I say, he only had to trawl the net for the correct ones.

[CCH Concepts]

i have read sites such as anachists cook book that have stated pot chlorate vasiline and parfin as a mixture for a high explosive. maybe they had shown he was trying to replicate this? but im not convinced there is any fact the that mixture

[BrightStar]

pot chlorate vasiline and parfin as a mixture for a high explosive.

Yup, without going into detail the Cheddite type mixes were used as inexpensive grenade fillers in Germany and Poland during WWII as industrial chemical supplies became scarce.

It certainly doesn't look like a fountain mix to me...

[Mortartube]

I agree fully with Brighstars answer. It is very similar to WWII German HE mixes.

[seymour]

Potassium perchlorate/Al mixes are notorious at going high order, and chlorate ones are worse. While we do not know the ratios used, which would be a significant insight, I can easily see this going off in a bad way even if it was intended as a firework, which I suspect it was not.

Regardless of intentions, I think that the authorities view that this was a danger above and beyond anything but a very large firework is legitimate.

[maxman]

Potassium perchlorate/Al mixes are notorious at going high order, and chlorate ones are worse. While we do not know the ratios used, which would be a significant insight, I can easily see this going off in a bad way even if it was intended as a firework, which I suspect it was not.

Regardless of intentions, I think that the authorities view that this was a danger above and beyond anything but a very large firework is legitimate.

Seems that this is the end result of a post last year on this forum. http://www.pyrosocie...r-of-fireworks/

Maxman

[CCH Concepts]

Yup, without going into detail the Cheddite type mixes were used as inexpensive grenade fillers in Germany and Poland during WWII as industrial chemical supplies became scarce.

It certainly doesn't look like a fountain mix to me...

i did wounder, because on the most basic level, if you suffiently oxidise a candel that burns for 12 hours to release all that power in milli secounds that a big bang.

[MDH]

edited.

Edited by MDH, 20 July 2009 - 08:05 PM.

[rr22]

"Seems that this is the end result of a post last year on this forum. http://www.pyrosocie...r-of-fireworks/

Maxman "

Thanks for that max, perhaps the threads should be merged.

I find it worrying that so much of the hobby is open to "misinterpretation" proper procedures and membership of U.K.P.S.should mitigate the severity of any charges,
but I'm sure that some of the shell builders and people making larger effects
could find themselves swept up in the general hysteria/hype that seems to surround these cases.

Of course this chap sounds well out of order,metal container,+ pseudo H.E. but could one argue(and convince a jury) that a salute or shell is NOT an explosive device?

The small scale of my experiments exempts me from this concern, but all the same guidelines such as those enjoyed by the rocket enthusiasts would be a great comfort to many (I.M.H.O.)

Edited by rr22, 21 July 2009 - 04:03 PM.

[CCH Concepts]

does anyone have a link to a legal reference for the 100g rule. i hear alot of talk about it, but on the other had i have also been told its just a myth. i have read the hse 2005 but this doesnt explicitly say 100g is ok just that it doesnt have any rules for explosives below 100g. i want something explict that says 100g of explosive is legal to store, if there is a legal limit of the ingredients and so on. any idea's?