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[pyrotechnist]

That is the point I am making, I have nothing against Diwali but our government is favouring foreign belief's systems and religions rather than British. For instance around where I am people are arguing about Christmas saying it isn't part of their religion and it should be celebrated publicly which is wrong. I look forward to the day Britain is back to how it used to be though I doubt it will ever happen as things are getting worse with yet more destruction to our economy to come and British pride to disappear.

[crystal palace fireworks]

That is the point I am making, I have nothing against Diwali but our government is favouring foreign belief's systems and religions rather than British. For instance around where I am people are arguing about Christmas saying it isn't part of their religion and it should be celebrated publicly which is wrong. I look forward to the day Britain is back to how it used to be though I doubt it will ever happen as things are getting worse with yet more destruction to our economy to come and British pride to disappear.

In my opinion Im not sure this is case, the predominant religion in this country is still christian based with the queen as the head of the church of england (supreme governor), although I believe this is in decline due to the worship of consumerisum and advances in our understanding of the world we live in.

Being british is sometimes difficult to define, each and everyone of us has a take on it, its not particular to one religion, race or colour of one`s skin.

Whats the population make-up where you live? are people in your area saying christmas should not be celebrated nationally or locally? what examples can you give to support this? or is this a media led slant on things?

[Spyrotechnics]

Why do we need Diwali celebrations in a British country? anyone can call me racist and if so they are hypocritical fools as I am preservationist and preservative of our British ways. We need to keep Britain British and not change our ways to suit others because they may or do get upset. Nuff said!

oh dear...

so what has exactly been changed, eroded, lost etc due to Diwali celebrations, I'm failing to see the argument..

Edited by Starsky72, 16 October 2010 - 08:06 AM.

[starseeker]

As far as i am concerned,due to diwali falling on the 5th,by default i can now celebrate with fireworks up to 1pm,and next year if i choose to i can also let fireworks up to 1pm on what ever date it falls on.There is nothing which says you have to follow that belief in order to celebrate parts of it,i can not see any problem at all.

[dr thrust]

agreed i see it as another opportunity to let off pyro, along with the 5th, Chinese new year, new year, birthdays, bbq's, anyways i think its been said before, im usually done by 10.00,10.30 is it really necessary to be letting off pyro so late? either 12, or 1am ! i think its a bit antisocial, unneighborly.
especially with the size of cakes you can buy these days, its not exactly like the biscuit tin of standard you used to have to entertain everybody

Edited by dr thrust, 16 October 2010 - 03:02 PM.

[Mixologist]

Whats the population make-up where you live? are people in your area saying christmas should not be celebrated nationally or locally? what examples can you give to support this? or is this a media led slant on things?

May i start by saying i am of none or the other and fall in the Athiesism variety and dont give a flying. But i can give an example of when it has gone, in my opinion, unfavourably wrong.

In central Brum, about 4 years ago, we always had seasonal lighting that read, "Merry Christmas!".

However due to the ethnic minority religions in the region complaints, this was the following year changed to "seasons greeting" because it did not support their religions and beliefs.

There was uproar, and 2 years ago it read "Happy Christmas" this was considered less Christian and more mainsteam, well, needless to say, my thoughts were, "let Christmas be Christmas and Merry with a glass of port, and, if you dont like it, (insert unpolitical ending) there is over priced public transport to take you else where.

[pyrotechnist]

Exactly we are being taken over slowly but surely, we could set pyro off until 1 but then if someone rings the police how are you going to say you are celebrating diwali? they are going to say ya right whatever. All religion is evil personally and should be abolished all together. Mixologist is right though and this is happening here. My constituency is mainly muslim and Nigerian based with over 10 mosques in one small area you get the picture. I aint being racist as I am against religion and muslims are not a race its a religion but most of all I am against our government for allowing such onslaught to Britain. Anyone ever heard of Enoch Powell? his speech has come true and it is going worse day by day with an estimation by 250 the British population of this country will be in itself a minority and I aint having that for my kids and a country that was once great.

O well that is my rant over and now ill get back to pyro but for anyone living in a nice area of no problems please do take a trip to manchester, oldham, Birmingham, tower hamlet london, Rochdale etc and see the onslaught in progress. I like anyone like the opportunity for extra firework celebrations but why does a supposed minority get more priority over us? We want our Nov 5th yet its going down hill and more support is given to Diwali, someone please tell me how right that is?

[phildunford]

Celebrate Nov 5th & it will survive, don't celebrate & it will die, no one is stopping you. Simple as that, nothing to do with anything or anyone else...

[Peret]

I like anyone like the opportunity for extra firework celebrations but why does a supposed minority get more priority over us? We want our Nov 5th yet its going down hill and more support is given to Diwali, someone please tell me how right that is?

Well now, whether it's right or not, and whether the furriners are taking over or not, Diwali is a celebration in its own right that's celebrated by people who know what it's about, ie it's a "genuine" cultural thing and the fireworks are just incidental. If November 5th still had the status of an anti-Catholic movement celebrating that the King and Parliament were saved from a dastardly Popish plot and our true religion was preserved, it would have equal or higher status - however, not one Briton in 1000 celebrates the 5th for this reason and if they did, it would probably be banned under hate crime legislation. What you need to do is be "for" something rather than "against" it - such as that other ancient tradition, the ascension into Heaven of the great prophet Clorato de Potassio and anticipation of His prophesied return in light and thunder on some future November 5th, and the importance of celebrating the date with excessive light and sound to remind Him that He's still expected.

This would be much easier to do in America, where the creation of new tax-exempt religions is a national passtime. I will do it for you, if you like, and send missionaries to spread the Word. You can pay your tithes directly to the Peret Foundation by paypal.

(Removes tongue from cheek)

[phildunford]

. I will do it for you, if you like, and send missionaries to spread the Word. You can pay your tithes directly to the Peret Foundation by paypal.

(Removes tongue from cheek)

Make it so! You have your first convert - cheque's in the post (equally tongue in cheek!).

[Deano 1]

I will do it for you, if you like, and send missionaries to spread the Word. You can pay your tithes directly to the Peret Foundation by paypal.

(Removes tongue from cheek)
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Me too,, Oh dear my paypal has been locked down,,, soz Peret:lol:

[Rocky Raccoon]

i've actually been trying for a while on my own to promote keeping bonfire night alive and well.. infact this year i have done a little more too! i'm a developer of a system used in over 1000 schools - and the most recent news article is on reccomended uses of our system by sending home messages to parents about promoting safty and enjoying bonfire night - my idea ^^

I was taught to love bonfire night from a super early age. It was safe and fun - and i know people with kids who werent planning on taking their kids to do anything on friday.. until i talked them round If kids aren't shown how fun Bonfire night can be - when they get older they'll be even more apathetic to the whole thing

Edited by Rocky Raccoon, 06 November 2010 - 10:58 PM.

[crystal palace fireworks]

i've actually been trying for a while on my own to promote keeping bonfire night alive and well.. infact this year i have done a little more too! i'm a developer of a system used in over 1000 schools - and the most recent news article is on reccomended uses of our system by sending home messages to parents about promoting safty and enjoying bonfire night - my idea ^^

I was taught to love bonfire night from a super early age. It was safe and fun - and i know people with kids who werent planning on taking their kids to do anything on friday.. until i talked them round If kids aren't shown how fun Bonfire night can be - when they get older they'll be even more apathetic to the whole thing

Excellent stuff Rocky, care to elaborate?, Id like to know more!

Last week, I sent a reply to my MP with some follow-up questions for the minister of tourism & Heritage (he`s the head honcho).

Basically my MP is on my side (bit of a traditionalist himself), Im trying to get the minister to explain some of the details regarding his opposition for us (the UK) not joining.

Failing that, there are a few more options.

Edited by crystal palace fireworks, 07 November 2010 - 09:18 AM.

[Dagabu]

We celebrated Guy Fawkes day last night by burning his effigy, having a bonfire and lighting off fireworks.

And I live smack dab in the middle of the North American Continent!!

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[pyrotechnist]

If we cater for diwali then we may aswel cater for all religious celebrations and wait for it we can have eid to! but we cant, its all one sided per usual. A lot of places are now starting to do virtual bonfire and firework displays making our tradition more watered down .