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[Dan2310]

Sorry to hear that about the cakes being sold out!

Im going today so hope our store has some cakes left in stock or I will be disapointed! Think Im going to go for a pack of their cheap rockets to add to my stash as I have no rockets at the minute and lighting them is a bit of fun

[phildunford]

I'm afraid that due to changes in classification, the rockets you will get in supermarkets are limited to 20g of active material - about 4 teaspoonsful! So no matter how big they make them, they are not going to perform any better. Most of the decent rockets are now reclassified from 1.4g to 1.3g - this makes shipping much more difficult.

You will get better performance 1.3g material from a dedicated shop, but generally you will have to collect it yourself unless it's pyromeshed which brings it back to 1.4g by reducing the 'firery projection hazard'.

It's a great loss for Jo public, with no great safety gain in my humble opinion...

Edit: BTW the idea of the members forum is not to hide anything, but give more value to paid up members- anyone can see it if they pay their £20!

Edited by phildunford, 26 October 2010 - 11:32 AM.

[maxman]

Think I asked this on another thread but didn't get an answer but is that 20g total Phil? motor and stars, burst etc? or just the motor?

Maxman

[phildunford]

Think I asked this on another thread but didn't get an answer but is that 20g total Phil? motor and stars, burst etc? or just the motor?

Maxman

NEC - ie the lot I'm afraid

Whole sorry details here: www.eig.org.uk/eig2007/wp-content/uploads/tom-smith.doc

(for some reason it won't insert as a proper link, so cut & paste the above)

Edited by phildunford, 26 October 2010 - 11:37 AM.

[ChrisP]

NEQ - ie the lot I'm afraid

Is it purely a UK limit or EU-wide?

[phildunford]

Is it purely a UK limit or EU-wide?

Don't honestly know the answer to that one. Member states often interpret or ignore as they please! I'm sure Exat can tell us...

[digger]

It refers to the classification so effectively it should be worldwide.

However local regulations on storage will determine where it is able to be sold

[exat808]

It refers to the classification so effectively it should be worldwide.

However local regulations on storage will determine where it is able to be sold

Digger is correct. The whole classification issue is driven by the UN Test criteria and the defined standards for allocating Hazard Divisions according to the composition of each article.
The classifications are adopted worldwide and apply to transportation generally. Different countries and EU member states have their own storage legislation (MSER for us) and also alongside this we have the consumer legislation that in GB allocates Categories to fireworks in relation to their sale and use.
So we have 3 distinct systems to abide by. Hazard Divisions, Hazard Types, and Categories. Simples!!

[Atom Fireworks]

Hang on 20gm for the whole thing I.E propellant, burst and effect? If so i wont be buying a single rocket thats ridiculus that is. Jeeze you could make alot better within the 100gm rule some of my experimental motors have housed 30grm of fuel alone without a header, and can lift a 200gram payload if necassary but for obvious reasons with the law i can only put on a header of 70gram max.

[sjc]

Pryomesh rockets are away round the 20gram rule

[dr thrust]

personally i think its quite impressive the whole lot coming in under 20g, motor, burst, effect, and getting a reasonable performing rocket , sounds like a challenge

[pyrotechnist]

I dont see why we cant ditch rockets with sticks to self-stabilized rockets that use fins etc as they seem to fly more straight without some plonker removing the stick creating an unstable rocket.

[Potassium chlorate]

It refers to the classification so effectively it should be worldwide.

However local regulations on storage will determine where it is able to be sold

I haven't bought rockets for a couple of years, but here in Sweden rockets with 145 grams of pyrotechnic composition were still allowed to be sold without a permit 2 years ago. But on the other hand they banned 4" and 3" mortars for public sale that year.

Until 1994 we had no limits at all, though the bigger stuff was much more expensive and could only be bought from certain companies (or a single one in the whole country I think).

The limit for cakes here is still 1 kilo.

[fireworkboy882]

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Hi im new to ths forum i just want to know some of your thoughts on these fireworks..

i bought these kimbolton rockets today at my local garden centre half price £17.49....are these any good???

Edited by fireworkboy882, 27 October 2010 - 09:13 PM.

[fireworkboy882]

also this is my other stash for 2010

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