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[exat808]

The Pyrotechnic Articles Safety Regulations 2010 will place a requirement on all those who wish to acquire certain types of Stage pyro ( classed as T2 in the Regs) and other Pyro articles ( class P2) to be a "person with specialist knowledge" and to have "undertaken training recognised in the theatrical profession/industry".
I am actively involved in preparing training packages to satisfy the above mentioned legal requirements and in doing so I am wondering how many forum readers would be interested in attending a course?
I have no other firm info at the moment so I cant be specific on costs, venues etc

Responses to this thread or PM's will assist me in judging demand from individuals. I have already had interest from various user groups (re-enactors etc).
Please note these will not be Cat4 Firework training courses.

[scjb]

Hi Danny.

Could I seriously suggest you liaise with Lincoln at The Association of Stage Pyrotechnicians. There is already a de facto standard pyrotechnics course being offered, and it would make a lot of sense for it to remain the focus...

[exat808]

Hi Danny.

Could I seriously suggest you liaise with Lincoln at The Association of Stage Pyrotechnicians. There is already a de facto standard pyrotechnics course being offered, and it would make a lot of sense for it to remain the focus...

Yes he's on my list of peple to contact. But as I said, these courses are not just for T2 items in the theatrical profession. I am also looking at the wider scope of some of the very specialised P2 articles.

[scjb]

No worries.

It was purely a selfish observation from me as the ASP is making gentle inroads into the psyche of venue technical managers and Local Authority gents, and this makes my life easier!

EDIT: Wrong emoticon!

Edited by scjb, 09 May 2011 - 11:03 AM.

[Bob Twells]

Hi Danny. What sort of materials would this kind of training cover? Stage pyro is not an area I'm very familiar with, but love to learn new things so would probably be interested.
Thanks.

[phildunford]

I have done the ASP training course and then (about a year ago), Lincoln was hoping that this would be accepted as producing a "person with specialist knowledge". However he was not sure at the time. As almost 3000 people have done this course it would be nice if it could become a 'de facto' standard.

Indeed, I'm still not sure if there has been any definition of what constitutes T2 "professional" stage pyro.

[Lincoln-Just FX]

Yep!

... be assured, the ASP are most certainly on top of this and will be wheeling out "specailist knowledge training modules" FOR STAGE PYRO (T2) by the dozen once the CEN (EU & BSI) standard has been consulted on, approved and finally adopted. (only taken up 4 years of my life so far!)

In the meantime, some of this is a little premature.

Who knows, this could go completely belly up and the split between T1 and T2 be (eventually) made at such a high level that the need for training for devices for STAGE PYRO be negated all together leaving us exactly where we are today.

... of course, this will still leave the requirement of HSE HS@W "Safe working practices" in place and training of any sort will always add to an operators competancy.

Those wishing to take on delivering "specialist knowledge training" for P2 articles will be warmly welcomed and supported... We won't be touching them. (except the crossover with igniters... (!)


Kindest
Lincoln

PS Would still like the UKPS to "Host" some courses someday (Phil ?)
in the meantime here are the latest dates and venues.

London - Bernie Grant Centre - Tottenham
Date: Monday - 13th June 2011
Hosted by: Mountview Academy of Theatre Arts
Contact: Samantha Wheeler
Telephone: 020 8829 1060 email:samanthawheeler@mountview.org.uk

London - Bernie Grant Centre - Tottenham
Date: Tuesday - 14th June 2011
Hosted by: Mountview Academy of Theatre Arts
Contact: Samantha Wheeler
Telephone: 020 8829 1060 email:samanthawheeler@mountview.org.uk

Birmingham - Cresent Theatre
Date: Thursday - 16th June 2011
Hosted by: Stage Electrics
Contact: Jennie Redman
Telephone: 0117 937 9503 email:customertraining@stage-electrics.co.uk

Croydon - Ashcroft Theatre
Date: Monday 20th June 2011
Hosted by: Fairfield Halls Technical Services Dept
Contact: Box Office
Telephone: 020 8688 9291 email:boxoffice@fairfield.co.uk

Chesterfield - The Pomegranate Theatre
Date: Monday - 4th July 2011
Hosted by: The Pomegranate Theatre
Contact: Stuart Basson - Techncial Manager
Telephone: 01246 345219 email:stuart.basson@chesterfield.gov.uk

Wakefield - Backstage Academy
Date: Tuesday 5th July 2011
Hosted by: The Backstage Academy
Contact: Kelly Aitken
Telephone: 01977 659840 email:enquiries@backstage-academy.co.uk

Coventry - Warwick Arts Centre
Date: Sunday 24th July 2011
Hosted by: Association of British Theatre Techniciains (ABTT)
Contact: Geoffrey Joyce
Telephone: 020 7242 9200 email:office@abtt.org.uk
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Glasgow - Royal Scottish Academy of Music & Drama
Date: Friday 21st October 2011
Hosted by: RSAMD
Contact: Ros Maddison
Telephone: 0141 332 4101 email: r.maddison@rsamd.ac.uk

Glasgow - Royal Scottish Academy of Music & Drama
Date: Saturday 22nd October 2011
Hosted by: RSAMD
Contact: Ros Maddison
Telephone: 0141 332 4101 email: r.maddison@rsamd.ac.uk


Association of Stage Pyrotechncians www.stage-pyro.org.uk

Edited by Lincoln-Just FX, 10 May 2011 - 04:25 PM.

[Lincoln-Just FX]

www.stage-pyro.org.uk

I have done the ASP training course and then (about a year ago), Lincoln was hoping that this would be accepted as producing a "person with specialist knowledge". However he was not sure at the time. As almost 3000 people have done this course it would be nice if it could become a 'de facto' standard.

Indeed, I'm still not sure if there has been any definition of what constitutes T2 "professional" stage pyro.

Phil

We have worked hard to keep the word "professional" OUT of all the regs and standards in order not to repeat the difficulties that the firework boys and girls had with it's inclusion!

Please also spread the word that all are welcome (please) to add comments to the public consultation on the new standards (BSI). Links can be found on the ASP home page. www.stage-pyro.org.uk

Kindest greetings
Lincoln

Edited by Lincoln-Just FX, 10 May 2011 - 04:24 PM.

[Lincoln-Just FX]

The Pyrotechnic Articles Safety Regulations 2010 will place a requirement...

... and for Articles Pyrotechnic this will be mid 2013

Lincoln

[Pyro-centric]

Hi all. Can some one give me a brief break down of T1/T2 stuff, to save me trawling through lots of techinacl papers....Something like for example, a maroon is/will beTx, a gerb is/will beTy. Or is there a link to a simple list please.

What sort of cost will these courses be and will there ever be one south of Bristol?? Thanks in advance

[Arthur Brown]

The " training recognised in the theatrical profession/industry" is currently available from the ~2500 member Assn Stage Pyrotechnicians (www.stage-pyro.org uk ) HOWEVER as the legislation is still in the consultative stage NO-one has a definitive list of the regs YET. Lincoln (member here ) is on the committees that formulate the legislation and is the leader of the ASP so as soon as the regs are properly enacted then he will ensure that the ASP course is completely up to date.

As Lincoln posts above, the opening page of the AsP website has all the links to the consultative documents for the legislation, - register and read!

[Lincoln-Just FX]

Hi all. Can some one give me a brief break down of T1/T2 stuff, to save me trawling through lots of techinacl papers....Something like for example, a maroon is/will beTx, a gerb is/will beTy. Or is there a link to a simple list please.

What sort of cost will these courses be and will there ever be one south of Bristol?? Thanks in advance

Again... a little unfair generalisation given the thousands of miles that have been clocked up by the crews that have delivered this course to all corners of the UK including the Isle of Man, Northern Ireland and even Bilbao, Spain!!

That said, and I replied to your similar post of nearly a year ago (June 2010)
I believe quite a few of the places listed below count as "south of Bristol"

Amersham - Amersham & Wycombe College
Banbury - Arts Centre
Belfast - Odyssey Arena
Belfast - Odyssey Arena
Birmingham - Alexandra Theatre
Birmingham - Hippodrome Theatre
Birmingham - National Exhibition Centre
Birmingham - National Indoor Arena
Birmingham - Old Rep Theatre
Birmingham - Repertory Theatre
Blackpool - Grand Theatre
Brighton - Corn Exchange
Bristol - Hippodrome Theatre
Camberley - Theatre
Cambridge - Arts Theatre
Cardiff - New Theatre
Cardiff - Wales Millennium Centre
Carlisle - Sands Centre
Carmarthen - Lyric Theatre
Chesham - Amersham & Wycombe College
Coventry - Warwick Arts Centre
Croydon - Fairfield/Ashcroft Theatre
Dudley - Brierley Hill Civic Hall
Edinburgh - Kings Theatre
Edinburgh - Festival Theatre
Edmonton - Millfield Theatre
Falmouth - Princess Theatre
Glasgow - Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama
Glasgow - Scottish Exhibition Conference Centre
Isle of Wight - Medina Theatre
Isle of Wight - Ryde Theatre
Leeds - Grand Theatre
Lincoln - Engine Shed
Liverpool - Echo Arena
London - Apollo Theatre
London - Arts Depot Finchley
London - Cambridge Theatre
London - Central School of Speech & Drama
London - Earls Court
London - Embassy Theatre
London - Greenwood Theatre
London - Her Majesty's Theatre
London - Lyric Theatre
London - Mountview Theatre School
London - New Wimbledon Theatre
London - O2 Arena - IndigO2
London - Queen Elizabeth Hall
London - Royal Academy of Dramatic Art
London - Royal Albert Hall
London - Royal Opera House
Loughborough - Laser Centre
Loughborough - Students Union Centre
Lytham - Lowther Pavilion
Manchester - Bridgewater Hall
Newcastle - Theatre Royal
Norwich - City College
Nottingham - Trent FM Arena
Oxford - The Theatre at Headington
Plymouth - Theatre Royal 2
Pontypridd - Muni Arts Centre
Potters Bar - Wyllyots Theatre
Reading - Hexagon Theatre
Sheffield - Crucible Theatre
Sidcup - Rose Bruford College
Southsea - Kings Theatre
St Albans - Alban Arena
Stratford upon Avon - RSC Courtyard Theatre
Taunton - Brewhouse Theatre
Torquay - Princess Theatre
Truro - Hall for Cornwall
Tunbridge Wells - Assembly Hall Theatre
Wakefield - Quest Nightclub
Warwick - Bridge House Theatre
Worthing - Northbrook College
Yeovil - Octagon Theatre

Regarding costs, I regret that I have no idea as the price is set by the hosts and not the training providers or ASP. The course is hosted by many different organizations, venues and associations who all charge different rates to cover their costs for providing the course.

Only by way of example, Stage Electrics often charge £155, Whitelight, £135 the ABTT £120 per member, Arts & Media Training charge £50 per delegate, whereas The Isle of Wight Arts Unit charged £20 and Falmouth Council even charged £10 per delegate...

So to answer your question, you would be best served to shop around the various hosts listed in the earlier post.

If all else fails and you can provide a suitable venue and good quanity of delegates, talk to the ASP about hosting a course yourself.

Finally, as my collegue has stated, we do not have the definitive split between T1 and T2 YET and it certainly will not be a clear cut line between say, maroons and gerbs (your example!) There will be some T1 Gerbs there will be some T1 (outdoor only) Gerbs and there will be some T2 Gerbs. When it is all done and dusted (consulted upon, adjusted and finally adopted), it will be in everybodies interest for a definitive list to be produced. The Manufacturers will have to separate their items espeially as purchase of T2 will require both training AND public liability insurance evidence at the point of sale. I am quite sure that HSE LOCAF will separate the three type (yes, 3) and we at the ASP will probably keep a database updated also.

Hope all of that rambling makes some sort of sense.

The important bit is... use this, "once in a lifetime opportunity (the BSI public consultation)", to make your wishes, fears, concerns known now" by getting involved for the benefit of the next generaions of safe operators.

I do share your irritation of the online BSI consultation system

The T1 - T2 split is important. please get involved.

Lincoln

Edited by Lincoln-Just FX, 15 May 2011 - 09:11 AM.

[icarus]

please put my name down for any course you are running thanks

[Zebra]

Are you still thinking of doing this?

[Pyro-centric]

I'm way south of Bristol. Exeter or Plymouth would be Idea for me once the details required are know, I'd be looking to attend a training course. Please PM me if something should come together, so I don't miss it. Thanks in advance