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[dogsbody]

Doesnt say it is related in anyway to fireworks, but still it is the storage of chemicals issue appearing to rear its head..

http://www.bbc.co.uk...merset-17704951

[maxman]

It looks like if you've got 100g or not, just keeping the chems can get you into trouble! "While there was no malicious intent in Leonard's actions he must accept that he put the safety of his own family" So section 4 applies here???

Maxman

[starseeker]

Just to put peoples mind at rest,this case had nothing to do with pyro,as burnham is only about 45 miles from me it was on the local news,after seeing it i had the same thoughts as you.after doing a bit of digging on the internet i found out that the bomb squad found high explosives that he had made and chemicals to make HE.

So i think we would all agree that the security services/police acted in a perfectly rational way,and also i would think that it is fair to say that these people are well aware of what chemicals are bought and only act when it could be someone with possible evil intent purchasing suspect chems.

Edited by starseeker, 13 April 2012 - 07:07 PM.

[exat808]

It looks like if you've got 100g or not, just keeping the chems can get you into trouble! "While there was no malicious intent in Leonard's actions he must accept that he put the safety of his own family" So section 4 applies here???

Maxman

Please remember that for offences under Section 4 one of the tests for the prosecution is not the proving of "malicious intent" but proving possession in "suspicious circumstances". The latter term has a far broader interpretation in law and is easier to evidence.

[exat808]

[quote name='PyroPDC' timestamp='1334337908' post='76425']
who's to say it wasnt bp he was making.

personal i would like to know more about these cases and circumstances behind them. because what the reporter calls high explosives may just be bp.

was this related to fireworks or not ?it really makes me wonder even the small scale 100g is going to get people in trouble

Only if that process of manufacture is outside of the current ( or potentially amended ) remit of MSER 2005 or if the <100g article is used or abused elsewhere in circumstances that would ammount to an offence under the 1883 Act.

There really is nothing to worry about if the legislation is adhered to.

[ridley]

http://www.telegraph...es-in-shed.html

Edited by ridley, 13 April 2012 - 09:38 PM.

[whoof]

who's to say it wasnt bp he was making.

personal i would like to know more about these cases and circumstances behind them. because what the reporter calls high explosives may just be bp.

It could have just been ingredients, AP OR AN can be considered explosives in their own right

It would be useful to know more more about the circumstances but i suspect that Reporters ar restricted in what they can say.
One of the reasons you sometimes see silly mixtures on Mcguyver etc is that regs forbid publishing viable recipies.

[exat808]

It could have just been ingredients, AP OR AN can be considered explosives in their own right

It would be useful to know more more about the circumstances but i suspect that Reporters ar restricted in what they can say.
One of the reasons you sometimes see silly mixtures on Mcguyver etc is that regs forbid publishing viable recipies.

There is anti Terror legislation designed to prohibit the gathering or making of information that may be of use to a terrorist. Interestingly the legislation can also be used in circumstances where there is no evidence of actual terrorist activity. This is an extract from the English/Welsh Crown Prosecutors guide -

This legislation also deals with:
collection or making a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, or possession of a document or record containing information of that kind ("record" includes a photographic or electronic record). (This provision is used to prosecute individuals in possession of "bomb-making" or "anarchist" manuals, even if there is no evidence of actual or intended terrorist activity.)

[starseeker]

It could have just been ingredients, AP OR AN can be considered explosives in their own right

It would be useful to know more more about the circumstances but i suspect that Reporters ar restricted in what they can say.
One of the reasons you sometimes see silly mixtures on Mcguyver etc is that regs forbid publishing viable recipies.

The chems they found were,

Pentaerythritol Tetranitrate

Hexamethylene Triperoxide

Picrate Acid

Lead Picric.

Also they found some of these chems combined ,ready to use.

The papers are still saying that he was a rocket enthusiast! Some rocket!

[Arthur Brown]

This legislation also deals with:
collection or making a record of information of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, etc as cited by Exat808

The trouble with this is that it has already been used against a tourist for taking a picture of St Paul's Cathedral and would also apply to possession of a London A-Z map or a London tube map.

[icarus]

I cannot see any justifiable pyrotechnic research that could be undertaken with the chemicals listed . Simulated explosions with lots of noise and a dust cloud are far more challenging. As youngsters i am sure many of us made misuse of some old weed killers that are no longer available , and thankfully most of us survived the dangerous experimentation stage with a few minor injuries . This was however ignition resulting in the pressure rupturing of the encasement and not detonation of a high explosive. One of my other hobbies is amateur radio /electronics so a "raid" on my workshop would produce radio / remote control circuitry electronic timing ccts , solenoids, gas valves pressure containers. a small chemical store etc . Thankfully however our security services are skilled at assessing as to what constitutes hobby/business research and what constitutes unlawful misuse . Purely on the nimby (not in my back yard ) approach i would be glad to see the arrest and successful prosecution of anyone producing HE in my vicinity . We should be rejoicing that there is one less ejit around to bring our hobby into disrepute . Congratulations to our security services on a timely and appropriate response.

[scjb]

OK, hit the wrong button and rep'd Exat... ooops! I was actually going to make a comment about that particular piece of legislation, but have since thought better of it.