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#1 Phoenix

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Posted 20 February 2004 - 12:57 PM

alany said (in the bottle rockets topic),

I've been refering to what you call crimps as chokes, not that it matters I guess, as long as we all understand what it means. What do you call closures like the end of a shotgun shell?


Hmm, interesting. In my mind, the words "choke" and "nozzle" are synonymous, and mean any narrowing at the end of a tube. However, if I just say "choke" or "nozzle" I would be reffering to a pressing of clay with a hole in the middle.

When I refer to a crimp, I would mean any point (probably at the end of a tube) where the paper has been folded or otherwise bent in. If this had a hole in it (as in the rockets) then it's a crimped choke, although in my earlier post's I have just referred to it as a crimp. In future I will be sure to differentiate between a crimped choke and a crimped closure, unless someone has better terms for referring to these. That would make the closure at the end of a shotgun shell a crimp, but as of now, it's a crimped closure to me.

And since this a good place for these, I call unmilled BP "green powder," but this is not because of the colour (which is only very, very vaguely green) but "green" in the sense of "greenhorn" - new and unfinished. "Weak powder" makes sense too, but it's not as univerally understood as green powder.

Finally, I think of silver as being a bright, cold, blue-ish, white. Meal powder white stars are white, potassium perchlorate and aluminium is silver. I have got what I would call silver from some BP and aluminium hummers once, but aluminium in BP mixtures is almost always just bright white to me.

What does everyone else call these, or any other terms that are a bit debatable?

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 08:42 PM

Well Im a newb and not sure what "Stay Green" exactly means. I presume it means stay safe?

I am also confused between what serpents, and saxons are? I dont know if you (UK people) use that name for bees, scattering stars, or go-getters, scattering comets, or if it is just a whole different effect? Saxons I am just confused in what they are.

Rockets are they easier than shells? Harder than this or that?

Sorry I know I should pick up some more literature but that wont be for another few weeks.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 09:08 PM

Take a look at Tom Smith's Glossary of pyro terms. Loads of good stuff on there.

The term "stay green" does indeed mean "stay safe." AFAIK, (which means "as far as I know" - you'll see that a lot on rec.pyrotechnics) it originates from the fact that in old time firework displays, they would have "green men" lighting and/or carrying lit fireworks around. Look at the PGI logo - that's a green man. They were green as they covered themselves with fresh leaves to provide protection from sparks (The PGI green man only has a leafy hat). However, should the they not be green (because they had lost their leaves) then they were at risk from being burned. Hence to stay green is to stay safe.

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Posted 22 February 2004 - 11:16 PM

What is a Saucission?

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 03:50 PM

I assume other than the french for sausage? :lol:

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:28 PM

It's a large serpent that finishes with a report. Basically a stickless bottle rocket :-)

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 05:38 PM

Figured it was a serpent, but the bounce is the distingushing factor?

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Posted 23 February 2004 - 06:07 PM

I guess so. Without it it would just be a large serpent.

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 05:42 PM

[QUOTE=italteen3,Feb 22 2004, 08:42 PM]

I am also confused between what serpents, and saxons are? I dont know if you (UK people) use that name for bees, scattering stars, or go-getters, scattering comets, or if it is just a whole different effect? Saxons I am just confused in what they are.



Saxons are long cases, similar to Roman candle cases and they have a hole either in the middle or at one end. A nail is placed through this hole and the case is nailed to an upright stake. One or more holes are bored in the end(s) away from the nail hole facing sideways. When lit the case rotates like a wheel. Colour cases can be attached to the side of the case or charged into the mixture in increments.
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 05:52 PM

Can someone please tell me what these are (Sorry if i shouldnt be discussing these on this forum buit i dont know what they are!!) HCL and DCM.
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 07:11 PM

HCL is possibly Hexachlorane used in some military screening smokes and DCM possibly Dicloromethane, although without further reference (i.e a formulae) I could be wrong.
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Posted 22 March 2004 - 11:11 PM

HCL could also be referring to hydrochloric acid. stay away from that stuff. it is nasty.


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Posted 23 March 2004 - 09:04 AM

I dont think that it is Hydrochloric acid because that is not just HCL (I Think)

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 09:27 AM

The formula for hydrochloric acid is HCl, we use it in chemistry all the time.

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Posted 23 March 2004 - 04:34 PM

Although HCl is Hydrogen Chloride, Hydrochloric acid is just Hydrogen Chloride in solution. HCl is just used to represent Hydrochloric acid as Hydrogen Chloride is hardly ever used as is. pyrodude, where did you see these abbreviations as we then may be able to give an answer?

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Edited by Stuart, 23 March 2004 - 04:35 PM.





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