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[Rip Rap]

Don’t get to exited I expect more legislation will come in to practise

 

Like what?? This update of the current legislation has taken years and from what we have heard, the HSE are happy with the updates we have been informed about.

 

I think it IS time to get excited!

[phildunford]

Like what?? This update of the current legislation has taken years and from what we have heard, the HSE are happy with the updates we have been informed about.

 

I think it IS time to get excited!

 

Too right mate!!

 

Wayne will no doubt correct me, but I think the next review is due in 2020 or something, so this will be law until then. If we behave ourselves and keep the pressure on it's possible that we may get even more concessions. 100g apples to all mixes that are not BP (or I believe in the new legislation, flash) for which acquire & keep will also be required, so no problem with candy rockets.

 

No one is more anti-legislation & dubious about the 'powers that be' than me, but I hear myself saying get excited - get VERY excited!

[wayne]

As Phil has already said, the 100g applies to any composition as long as it manufactured for experimentation, demonstration, testing, etc.

 

Some compositions will requires a COER certificate, such as BP based compositions and flash compositions (flash compositions are to be removed from schedule 1 of COER).  That said, it will be a recommendation of the good practise guidance that the individual acquires a COER certificate regardless of the compositions he/she intends to manufacture.  This will ensure your are covered for all compositions.

 

Please bear in mind that a lot of these questions will get answered when the guidance is published.  This document will be in constant revision as things move along over the next few years.  In fact, that is one of the benefits of sector lead guidance, it's not a static document and can be constantly improved unlike legislation.

 

To repeat Phil's sentiment, get VERY excited people!

Edited by wayne, 28 March 2014 - 07:44 PM.

[Arthur Brown]

One very important thing to understand is that official recognition that DIY pyrotechnics is a legitimate hobby within limits, makes it important that 1/ we use the right to the hobby, and 2/ we stick to the bits that we are permitted to use. With some luck (and no incidents on our behalf!) we will stay in the consultative loop for years and MAY perhaps get more freedom at the next review.

 

We have been trusted, let's not betray that trust. 

(Other countries have decided to regulate precursors by just a total ban on sales to individuals)

[Sparky]

I for one have absolutely no problem getting all the various licenses that may be required. I was looking to apply for a shotgun licences and also acquire and keep for BP for parachute ejection charges plus possible AP based hobby rocket motors and the police were more than happy to oblige as long as you show your interest and make good of your commitment to be safe and secure.

 

I honestly don't care if I have to jump through a few hoops as long as it separates the genuine enthusiast from the idiots or criminals! I just want to be able to do what I do with the knowledge I'm on the right side of the law and that the police understand my motives.

[Sparky]

I for one have absolutely no problem getting all the various licenses that may be required. I was looking to apply for a shotgun licences and also acquire and keep for BP for parachute ejection charges plus possible AP based hobby rocket motors and the police were more than happy to oblige as long as you show your interest and make good of your commitment to be safe and secure.

 

I honestly don't care if I have to jump through a few hoops as long as it separates the genuine enthusiast from the idiots or criminals! I just want to be able to do what I do with the knowledge I'm on the right side of the law and that the police understand my motives.

[Sparky]

Kenneth, You may want to do a second draft of that post. I'm not sure I understand you :-)

[phildunford]

Not that it makes much difference, but I think there is again a little confusion here. Two bits of legislation.

 

'100g rule' this was likely to be lost under new UK regs. Waynes work (along with institute of chemistry & others) has kept it in and clarified it such that it is accepted that devices can be made. Nothing to do with Europe.

 

Explosives precursors. This was European legislation which we are lumbered with whether we like it or not. Member states can enact it different ways. Some have chosen to ban all chemical sales to individuals. UK is almost certain to go down the licensing route, due in no small part to us (UKPS members) being asked for our input. Again, thanks to Waynes contacts at the Home Office.

[Sparky]

What part do you not understand?

 

Just re-read your post and try and think about using quotes and punctuation correctly 

[Bob Twells]

For the full details, Wayne's presentation from the AGM, including an audience question and answer session, is now available on our YouTube channel:

 

[NeilB]

Hi all.
I'm new to the forum and new to pyro, mostly due to I always thought it was illegal to build your own fireworks so because of the fear of being locked up iv not built anything yet. Iv spent probably the last 4 years watching YouTube videos and going through thousands of forum pages reading what projects people have done but oddly enough never stumbled over anything about the legislation changing. But then came across this post last week and to say the least it got me a little excited.

So what can we make? I know the 100g limit still applies but is that total amount of explosive composition or does it include anything mixed in like rice hulls.

My interest are mainly in star mines and aerial shells. I was always into rocketry with my father when I was young so I may want to experiment with that also at a later date.

Also I'm a little in the dark as to what certification I would need. I think I need an EPP licence but what else would I need. I don't mind jumping through a few hoops if it will mean I can do all this legit.

Thankyou for any advice, Neil.

[martyn]

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Also I'm a little in the dark as to what certification I would need. I think I need an EPP licence but what else would I need. I don't mind jumping through a few hoops if it will mean I can do all this legit.

Thankyou for any advice, Neil.

 

You need an EPP licence if you want to possess any of the regulated chemicals, so ideally you'd have one or it limits your options to BP based stuff really.

You need an A&K for BP, ideally. To keep it you need a 'box'

You need an Acquire only for other pyrotechnic compositions.

You should follow the best practice guidance offered by the UKPS, or be able to justify why you didn't if it goes wrong.

 

But don't get too excited.

 

You aren't supposed to make anything because you enjoy it and it's fun, It has to be for research, demonstration or experimentation, there is overlap there I suppose, but it would be nice not to have to pretend..

You aren't supposed to store completed pyrotechnics. It's open to interpretation if an item is being stored, or is in the 'drying' stage of manufacture. You could try and get 1.1 storage I suppose

You aren't supposed to transport what you've made, so technically you can't take it 200M down the highway to the farm where you have permission to use fireworks.

 

100g is for the pyrotechnic composition, not card, hulls etc. My personal interpretation is that it would be legal to make a say, 99g NEC shell, and lift it with a seperate, unattached lift charge, but others may disagree.

 

As for rockets, great fun but they have to come down somewhere.

 

Probably best to get all the legal certs sorted and then keep your head down.

 

But that makes for a dull forum.

[NeilB]

Thanks for the informative reply Martyn, it's given me a lot to look into :-)

Think I may have a problem with not being able to transport them to my dad's land to test them :-( . Might even build and test them there.

As for the storage, would I be ok building 1, leave it in the "drying" stage, test it, and then build another. I dont think i will need to have a seporate lift charge as im only going to start with 3" maybe 2". Anyway iv got a lot to sort befor i get to that stage at least.

Neil.