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[fruitfulsteve]

That's a bummer my driving license isn't due for renewal until May 2016 looks like i'll have to get it done a bit earlier.

[Bob Twells]

That's a bummer my driving license isn't due for renewal until May 2016 looks like i'll have to get it done a bit earlier.

You can also use a Passport if you have a longer duration on that.

[Arthur Brown]

If you are careful/lucky your passport and driving licence will have different expiry dates and you could use one for some EPP then the other for some -getting a three year EPP on three years(+) validity of one of them. Remember that a photocard licence and a passport are both only valid for ten years.

[Rip Rap]

Bob, did you need to send a "Certificate of good conduct" from the Police, or is this just for non British nationals?

Cheers.

[Vic]

Bob, did you need to send a "Certificate of good conduct" from the Police, or is this just for non British nationals?

Cheers.

 

It 's for non British nationals

[fruitfulsteve]

You can also use a Passport if you have a longer duration on that.

 

 

I thought you needed both, gonna have to wait until after the annual hair cut now, i look a bit like Stig of the dump ATM

[exat808]

I  am preparing a report for a client relating to secure storage of explosive precursors and would be interested to know what level of security inspection ( if any ) was made at the time of granting an EPP licence? I don't need excessive detail and I guess that many would not have had a visit.

All comments most welcome either in open forum or PM. 

[Arthur Brown]

Good plan is to use the form of ID with more than three years to run first, then sort out which ID to use for the second precursor licence etc. Stagger the dates of passport and driving licence so that there is always one with three years to run.

 

Does anyone with a current EPP licence wish to tell what documents should be prepared in advance for a form filling session on line to do the application. (cert of good conduct is a red herring for UK citizens but very important for foreign nationals.

[fruitfulsteve]

I  am preparing a report for a client relating to secure storage of explosive precursors and would be interested to know what level of security inspection ( if any ) was made at the time of granting an EPP licence? I don't need excessive detail and I guess that many would not have had a visit.

All comments most welcome either in open forum or PM. 

 

This has just reminded me about a thread i was gonna start about chemical storage. Can't help much with this thou as i haven't put my EPP application in yet.

 

BTW Do i need a separate certificate for poisons ? they only seem to list explosive precursors as examples of wat to put in your chemicals required list ?

[GMetcalf]

BTW Do i need a separate certificate for poisons ? they only seem to list explosive precursors as examples of wat to put in your chemicals required list ?

 

 

Here is the full list of substances covered by the EPP license. The second P stands for poisons.

 

Explosive Precursors

• Hydrogen peroxide above 12% w/w
• Nitric Acid above 3% w/w
• Nitromethane above 30% w/w
• Potassium chlorate above 40% w/w
• Potassium perchlorate above 40% w/w
• Sodium chlorate above 40% w/w
• Sodium perchlorate above 40% w/w

Poisons

• Aluminium phosphide
• Arsenic and its compounds (other than calcium arsenites, copper acetoarsenite, copper arsenates, copper arsenites, lead arsenates)
• Barium salts (other than barium sulphate, barium carbonate and barium silicofluoride)
• Bromomethane
• Chloropicrin
• Fluoroacetic acid, its salts and fluoroacetamide
• Hydrogen cyanide and metal cyanides (other than ferrocyanides and ferricyanides)
• Lead acetates and compounds of lead with acids from fixed oils
• Magnesium phosphide
• Mercury and its compounds (including: nitrates of mercury; oxides of mercury; mercuric cyanide oxides; mercuric thiocyanate; ammonium mercuric chlorides; potassium mercuric iodides; organic compounds of mercury which contain a methyl group directly linked to the mercury atom)
• Oxalic acid
• Phenols (phenol; phenolic isomers of the following: cresols, xylenols, monoethylphenols) except in substances containing less than 60% weight of phenols
• Phosphorus yellow
• Strychnine and its salts and its quaternary compounds
• Thallium and its salts

So Paris Green and Lead Tetraoxide are fine without a license (despite being nicely lethal) and Barium Nitrate, Barium Chlorate and possibly Phenolic Resin all require the EPP license. If anyone also has any Calomel lying around in their old chemical stash, that'll also need the EPP license.

[fruitfulsteve]

Got mine on the 1st (just in time) actually tried to time it so it was valid from the 15/16th as i thought this was the date it became enforceable, luckily i got it within 2 weeks, yes a very long winded process but it seemed to go without a hitch.

 

I was asked by my doctor to come in for a chat, i think she was a little concerned when a letter from the home office counter terrorism department arrived on her desk. All went well, she even seemed pleased that i'd brought my invisible friend along  . I was wondering if this was standard procedure or a one off as having recently moved and changed doctors i'd never actually met my new one... 

[samboradford]

Thanks for posting the list again - I'm sure at some point potassium dichromate was on the list, but as it's a perplexing list it's no wonder it has confused me.

[digger]

Thanks for posting the list again - I'm sure at some point potassium dichromate was on the list, but as it's a perplexing list it's no wonder it has confused me.

 

Having worked in the chemical industry for some years I have a reasonable knowledge of some of these items. Things like potassium dichromate are interesting ones, in the old days before the GHS anything with R45/R46 and now I guess H350/H351 (along with a few more numbers) is not allowed to be sold to the public at all. So in fact it is even more regulated than the list above as in theory you should not be able to get it under any circumstances as an individual (even though there is no penalty in law for possession). 

 

Hope that helps

Edited by digger, 06 March 2016 - 12:21 PM.

[samboradford]

Yes that's an interesting point, although it is readily obtainable.  Not surprisingly it has never left the shelf.

[digger]

It has been readily available because most of the people selling it did not know the rules and the local enforcement authorities such as trading standards know even less as a general rule. Of course if it has come from Poland then the rules have been completely circumvented.

 

When I was selling chemicals a few years back the local trading standards officer often phoned me for advice!