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[wayne]

Well Wayne it was neither of the suggested, what I was saying is you have eight right two wrong.

 

Obviously I am not going down to well on here so I will say a found goodbye to you all thanks for all the likes bloody hell I hit twenty not bad considering, any way good luck to you all and take care.    

 

Bizarre! 

[rocketpro]

Bizarre! 

My thoughts too Wayne

[Arthur Brown]

Pyro is a world of some very distinct characters, it's not an average hobby and attracts non average people. All we need to know now is what constitutes a reasonable hobby quantity.

[rocketpro]

Hmm, that`s very subjective Arthur.

 I think 3 - 5 kilo is reasonable - Although personally if I was applying for a licence (assuming it was for aquisition on a yearly basis) I would enter 3 kilo. 

Edited by rocketpro, 05 September 2014 - 05:17 PM.

[Vic]

In the region of 3-5kg for me as well.

[Arthur Brown]

Of course it's subjective, but it's important. I think we all agree that 100miles each way for 100grammes is too far for too little, but I could want two or three items on the poisons and precursors listsand perhaps  two kilos of each plus other things can be added to the lists. I'd probably like to hold 10 kilos in store and consider 2 kilos a minimum purchase. -just to justify the cost of travelling to a supplier. 

[dave]

over on the other forum (ukfr) someone posted
 
............."I have heard of people already have visits from ministry people regarding chemicals that they have............."

 

anybody else had any visitations yet...........sounds a bit well......shall we say surprising or intimidating and not mentioned in the

 

regarding amounts I would say 5kg for oxidisers per annum and probably less for other chems say 1-3kg

[fruitfulsteve]

Opps *A&K

 

Maybe they could just add explosive precursors to peoples A&K .... They are kinda related

[Robert Blackman]

Hello everyone I'm Robert., new around here. Read through the topic and have a question for you all regarding haulage/transport and couriers and the face to face collection. Would there be any any scope or market for a transport service to provide the face to face part. A registered ADR 1 courier service with the correct licences who specialises in explosive substances? It works with restricted pharmaceuticals. It might work something like at hand over you give the courier ownership of the load, the courier does the legal paperwork, perhaps. 

I'm not suggesting you just give a white van man a van full of pyro...and never see him again. I mean establishing a professional company who could make a profit yet keep the cost to the customer at reasonable standard rate. Any thoughts?

[Arthur Brown]

No-one really knows a way through this at the moment, we all wish we did. The trouble is that for some people 100g is a year's hobby supply but it's possibly too expensive to do a proper courier service for that much. Anyone using 50kilos a year wouldn't be a hobbyist but likely a business so the regs don't apply (they are for consumer sales).

 

The ingredients we need are not usually explosives, usually Oxidiser 5.(1 or 2) and according to the material they may be below ADR threshold, either as LQ packages or simply gross weight. 

[cooperman435]

This would be a very good arrangement. Assuming it satisfied all the nessecery criteria and was affordable, technically satisfying the requirements shouldn't be hard but doing it for profit whilst keeping the charge reasonable for what will be a moderate amount of smallish deliverys I see as problematic. I hope I'm wrong though.

Personally I see the most likley option being a smallish firm who currently travel the uk who are prepared for a small additional fee to do the extra bit of paperwork needed. Just doing these deliverys as a mainstay is unlikley to be worthwhile for both sides of the buisness

[Robert Blackman]

The courier(s) would need to be government accredited, that's possible. Yes Arthur, but the courier would be serving the fireworks industry so would haul stuff you need that isn't ADR as well and at quiet times haul air fright or AOG items, or other ADR items to pay for diesel and keep the cost down for the customer, but the fireworks would take priority. The couriers would know other contacts for work anyway. They'd need to be self employed pyrotechnic enthusiasts, they would travel the UK meeting everyone in the industry watching displays ect. Could be heaven and you get paid! 

I don't have all the answer's yet it's just a thought but it could work.

Edited by Robert Blackman, 17 December 2014 - 09:46 PM.

[Arthur Brown]

Well if the courier was a business then the consumer regulations would not apply to them for getting supplies, but would apply to them as suppliers to licensed amateur users. So your business person could pick up ingredients trade and then see the licence and write on it the supplied quantity.

 

BUT

1/ ADR compatibility groups (the letter of a classification) mean that pyro cannot travel with much if anything else. So a firework delivery could not have other ADR items on the same transport unit.

2/ transport to home addresses has to account for making several calls to actually meet the intended recipient who may be at work etc 

[Robert Blackman]

Loads would not be mixed. Pyro only travels with pyro. Home address deliveries will take a lot more thinking through as the volume might be too big for a small firm to handle. I think on some level buyers will have to accept that regulations change and they will have to adapt to them like everyone else. 

[cooperman435]

As far as I've understood so far, any courier could simply take up this task (transportation and end supply to consumer licence holders not the firework transport stuff) as long as they abide by the regs and took ID whilst filling in licences. I don't know the regs on physically transporting it myself but it can't be that hard to comply?

This said it still is unlikley to be a sustainable business alone so really I see it working only as an additional service to an existing courier service.