41 replies to this topic

[maxman]

I fully agree with Starseeker!

 

Rod

[digger]

Ditto

 

Gareth

[GMetcalf]

I have already found out about the appeals process and it pretty much only exists for those whom their livelihood relies on the Explosives Certificate. Plus to appeal you must first be refused an application and this would hinder future applications in the case the appeal is unsuccessful (which it is very likely to be). My best option at the moment is to withdraw my application and reapply in the not so distant future, possibly following some form of competency course/assessment.

[maxman]

Appeals and applications to the Crown Court or Sheriff

22.—(1) A person aggrieved by any decision of a chief officer of police to refuse an explosives certificate under regulation 19 or to revoke an explosives certificate under regulation 21 may appeal within 21 days of receiving notice of that decision.
(2) An appeal under this regulation in England and Wales is to be to the Crown Court and in Scotland is to be to the sheriff by way of summary application.
(3) The court hearing an appeal under this regulation may dismiss the appeal or allow the appeal and give directions to the chief officer of police to issue or restore the explosives certificate.
(4) A prohibited person may apply to the Crown Court or, in Scotland, to the sheriff by way of summary application for an order that that person is no longer a prohibited person and the court hearing any such application may make an order exempting that person from the provisions of these Regulations relating to a prohibited person.

 

Rod

[GMetcalf]

The appeal process also costs some money, money which I currently do not have and will not have in the foreseeable future. Especially as at this rate, by the time I finish my medical training there'll be no NHS for me to work in.

[martyn]

you don't want to work in the nhs - it's crap for the workers and not always that great for the patients.

Unless you want to be a manager - then you're laughing.

[GMetcalf]

Oh I already know it's crap for the workers, I'm used to working in understaffed hospitals with more patients than they can take care of. Not to mention the twelve hour night shifts with no scheduled break time, so it's not uncommon to not have a chance to eat.

 

However it is better than the American system and I hope it stays that way!

[martyn]

Don't forget the shift over runs, experienced staff leaving in droves, the absolute shite of all shites 111 service.

As for not eating - it would do me good to eat a bit less, however, every time we get sent back for an alleged meal break my stomach starts churning out acid in eager anticipation of food, only for it all to be a cruel hoax as we are diverted to another crap 111 job en route to base!

Anyway, we're well off topic.

If you want to let the application drop that's your prerogative

Perhaps you would consider joining the society .

[Arthur Brown]

 ...withdraw my application and reapply in the not so distant future,...

 

Do tell, what will you achieve by waiting a while? Waiting will not make you more skilled or competent. Have you asked your ELO what waiting will achieve? All you can do  is further incriminate yourself if you do things without the proper paperwork. then your ELO can refuse you A&K with grounds. 

[GMetcalf]

Well before I do reapply I intend to undertake some form of competency course (if such a thing will eventually exist?)

I would of course not do anything which would incriminate me so to speak. Not only would the ELO have things to say but I'm sure the GMC would want a word too.

[dannytsg]

Well before I do reapply I intend to undertake some form of competency course (if such a thing will eventually exist?)

I would of course not do anything which would incriminate me so to speak. Not only would the ELO have things to say but I'm sure the GMC would want a word too.

 

You will have to reside yourself to watching lovely videos on youtube and maybe partaking in a society held day if ever one was offered. All the best with it though

[Sparky]

Sorry to resurrect this but as you may be aware I've only just got back into the hobby for personal reasons so am playing catch up. I am applying for my EPP and am in contact with my ELO (I started this many years ago when I wanted an A&K for my hobby rockets but I found another type of motor that did not require A&K licensing).

My application may complicate things for me or could work in my favour as I am also applying for A&K BP so I can use it in a small signalling type cannon that I own. It's causing a headache because the ELO is at a loss to know how to classify it. It's not a hand gun, it's not a cannon as it is too small and it's not a shotgun because it is too short. Anyway this is not why I'm posting and I'll do an update at some point on all that.

 

I'd like to know what ELO's people are working with as it could be useful if we have experience of one we have been in contact with. Could we do a sticky post to list them all?

Also regarding GMetcalf's issues, I do not understand why the 15Kg maximum is being seen as a reason for refusal. People regularly transport 15kg in small vans through towns and heavy traffic to re-enactments. If we are talking risk mitigation then surely this is FAR more risky than keeping it locked away in a store even in a terraced house. His logic is flawed and as was stated before that is not the consideration he should be making. He should not be re-interpreting or adjusting the law, he is tasked with ensuring compliance with law.