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#16 BigG

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Posted 20 April 2004 - 08:31 AM

You don't have to have first hand experience feeling the side effects of a chemical to know what it will do to you. In fact that's why they come with MSDS so you can PREVENT contact; as I did.

Linseed protects in most cases one big acceptation is protection from ammonium perchlorate where K2Cr2O7 is a must.

No Argument over here. It is not a good idea to go against MSDS in any case - and in some cases - the side effect is quite permanent. The descation here is very specific to potassium dichromate and so are my remarks. For example - lead is also a poison - but I'm sure most members touch lead and live to tell about it. The MSDS describing lead as poison is aimed in that case for people with long exposure as well.

It's important for members to remember that MSDS are there to protect you - and you should never go against what is written by them unless monitored by an experience person and after you made sure you received advise from reliable and knowledgable people. When saying "reliable and knowledgable" - that means someone who deals with the chemicals on every day basis. In potassium Dichromate case - that probably means someone outside the forum.

The one point I can make is that Dichromate is more effective then Linseed in a variety of cases - and not only when it comes to ammonium perchlorate. The difference between the two is the protection method. Linseed creates external coating - which can drip on a hot day, slow combustion and rander some compositions useless. Potassium Dichromate is quite different and provides a chemical protection by creating a layer that is not easily destroyed. It is used almost exclusively by the industry - but for the amateur linseed is a simple, effective and safe method of protection.

Edited by BigG, 20 April 2004 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2004 - 03:42 PM

What is the chemical layer? Is it an oxide of Aluminium or Potassium?

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Posted 21 April 2004 - 02:25 AM

Chromium....?
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 02:40 AM

I think he ment to say Mg instead of Al. Good question tho. Is the layer a potassium compound or magnesium comp?

Edited by bobconan, 22 April 2004 - 02:41 AM.

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 01:54 PM

I think he ment to say Mg instead of Al. Good question tho. Is the layer a potassium compound or magnesium comp?

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It's Chromium Oxide. Chromium metal in general has been use in metal coating of surfaces for it's moisture resistance. In presence of moisture, the Potassium dichromate develops a film that protects both it and the magnesium from corrosion.

On the subject of safety of potassium Dichromate ? here is Shimizu:

?Potassium dichromate is on the list of toxic materials and is known to badly affect the mucous membrane. People in the industry come into contact with this substance for short periods and not every day, and it is unlikely to be a problem provided that gloves and dust masks are used. By comparison, smoking should be more harmful?.

Something to think about when you have your cigar :)

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 02:46 PM

I appreciate the feedback from all. It appears as alot of things these days - blown out of proportion. Obviously caution and proper attire must be on hand, but the fear factor has certainly faded with this thread. Moving on with the Mg coating process in a day or two. :D

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Posted 22 April 2004 - 07:58 PM

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 10:18 AM

Is this a "complete" protection for Mg in a ammoniumperclorate mixture? By complete I mean: Is the mixture air moisture sensitive, is it OK to mix with CaSO4 that may contain some crystal water, and is it OK to use a alkohol that may contain some percents of water when you have a alkohol activated binder?

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 11:59 AM

It's have a very good protection against both water and ammonium perchlorate. You will need a very special chimical to go through chromate coating. Well, okay, not very spacial, but the chimicals who do are not really used in fireworks.

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Posted 26 April 2004 - 12:38 PM

Shimizu states, that coating with Potassium Dichromate is the best coating for most purposes.

But magnesium with CaSO4 does not get very warm. It?s a question of the amount. One kilo of that would heat up a lot. And probably ignite.

But if you use 25% alcohol and only 10g of that mix it doesn?t heat up so much.

BaSO4, CaSO4 etc are very stable and need a big amount of heat to ignite.....

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Posted 28 April 2004 - 04:49 PM

Ok thanks! Now I can make orange strobe without having haveing to be so nervous. I only need the AP :-)




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